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09-17-2017, 07:25 AM
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#81
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
, Kent
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,534
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WayneG
Also, is there a source for the plastic cover that goes over the trim?
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This stuff fits but is much thicker than the original and needs some heat to get to follow the curvature.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231285585715...c=1&rmvSB=true
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09-17-2017, 08:32 AM
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#82
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Rivet Master
1984 27' Airstream 270
Scotia
, New York
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,082
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Thanks for the trim cover info.
Now on with problem 37B...
I have pried the headliner lip from the front and it is completely free but something is still holding the headliner up in the front. It may be near where the sun visors attach.
I was wondering if there are hooks or something that release if the headliner is pushed forward? I dont want to force anything, the headliner is brittle and cracks are forming where the front rivets use to be.
Getting to the point of indecision of going forward or just putting it all back together and ignore the leaks and roof dent
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09-17-2017, 10:06 AM
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#83
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
, Kent
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,534
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WayneG
Thanks for the trim cover info.
Now on with problem 37B...
I have pried the headliner lip from the front and it is completely free but something is still holding the headliner up in the front. It may be near where the sun visors attach.
I was wondering if there are hooks or something that release if the headliner is pushed forward? I dont want to force anything, the headliner is brittle and cracks are forming where the front rivets use to be.
Getting to the point of indecision of going forward or just putting it all back together and ignore the leaks and roof dent
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I don't remember there being anything on the cap (but then I was working on the back half) but there are the 2 extensions the the visors screw into. I thought the cap was held against those with sticky pads but then the visor screws held the cap firmly?
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09-17-2017, 10:11 AM
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#84
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Rivet Master
1984 27' Airstream 270
Scotia
, New York
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,082
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There may be differences between the steel and aluminum caps. I do not want to pull hard to see what happens.
I think I am screwed anyway. I took a peak under the center internal skin (it is flexible enough to pull down) and I found that they used Vulkem or similar to glue all the seams together. I dont think I can get them apart without pulling the internal skin, and I am not that ambitious
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09-17-2017, 10:16 AM
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#85
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
, Kent
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,534
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I think Brad took lots of photos when dismantling his 345 so hopefully he can add more.
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09-17-2017, 12:21 PM
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#86
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Rivet Master
1984 27' Airstream 270
Scotia
, New York
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,082
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Thanks, if I dont find a method before the weather gets cooler in a few days, I think I will give up on this adventure.
I remember trying to scrape 10 pounds of vulkam off the AC tray.
No way I am going to free up the headliner without damage
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09-18-2017, 07:18 AM
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#87
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,115
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From what I remember the cap is not really held in place by anything other than vulkem, rivets and possibly some screws. When I removed the one from the 345 it took some prying and pulling but it eventually came down.
I'll be doing the same thing to my Argosy this coming winter which likely won't be in time to help you.
When I get home tonight I can post some interior pictures of the 345 with the inner cap removed so you can see what it looks like.
Brad
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1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
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09-18-2017, 02:46 PM
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#88
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Rivet Master
1984 27' Airstream 270
Scotia
, New York
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,082
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I am giving up on this project for now. The headliner is so brittle, I dont want to snap it into smaller pieces. 30+ year old sealant is close to petrified by now, I dont have a good opening or angle to get a pry tool in there.
I waited until it was 90 deg. in the MH before trying to pry the front lip back in place, it was harder than getting it out. It was so hot and humid in there I still have one corner to do.
I did borrow a see snake and try to look over the headliner but all the insulation made that near to impossible.
If it ever must come out, the wise way to do it will be to pull the overhead cabinets and interior skin first, and that is not something I intend to tackle.
My roof dent, is still intact, water dripping from a corner of headliner, it will still happen depending on how I park.
I am STILL waiting on Ed McMahon to show up at my door with my winning check for Publishers Clearing House, so I can pay some fool to do this for me
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09-18-2017, 03:52 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,115
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This picture pretty much shows what the frame work looks like above the cap.
I'm sure if Ed McMahon ever shows up at your door you'll be more than generous with your fellow Airforums members, right?!
Brad
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1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
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09-18-2017, 04:18 PM
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#90
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Rivet Master
1984 27' Airstream 270
Scotia
, New York
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,082
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
I'm sure if Ed McMahon ever shows up at your door you'll be more than generous with your fellow Airforums members, right?!
Brad
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For sure, but I reserve the first million for my money pit
I see by the photo that it probably is the sun visor supports preventing the front from coming free. If I had a good handle hold I might have got them free, but all the glue on the rear seam would still be a major problem.
All I can say is:If you dont have to remove the headliner, dont, find another way!
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09-19-2017, 03:40 PM
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#91
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Rivet Master
1984 27' Airstream 270
Scotia
, New York
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,082
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So, I am getting ready to pop rivet it all back in place.
I have the visor screws lined up and the rear edge of the headliner has not moved due to the glue.
After all the flexing, the front edge is more reluctant for a perfect fit to the old rivet holes.
Do you ignore the holes and make new holes or just live with the ones that do line up?
Some of the holes are split with plastic missing.
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09-20-2017, 08:37 AM
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#92
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,115
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Wayne,
I don't know that I have the right answer but if you can't get it to align back up with the original holes I think I'd drill new holes (through existing holes in the cap) and add rivets.
The rivets are what add strength so I'd want to have as many as I could holding it in place.
Brad
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
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09-20-2017, 08:59 AM
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#93
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1 Rivet Member
1975 24' Argosy 24
Wooster
, Ohio
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 17
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1975 Argosy 24 update by MaxD
I had a "windshield" leak on my1975 Argosy 24 after it had set for about 10 years in the shade. The roof looked fine, the windshield seals looked fine, the running lights/roof junctions looked fine also. Hmmm. I took off one of the running light lenses and there was water inside the light housing ! I brushed them all and sealed them with some clear RTV Silicone and - No More Leak. It wasn't that much water coming in but it pooled on the dash by one of the air duct openings. I certainly didn't want it going down in there no matter how much or little it was.
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09-20-2017, 09:01 AM
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1 Rivet Member
1975 24' Argosy 24
Wooster
, Ohio
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 17
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windsheild leaks
I think my reply went to the wrong thread.
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09-20-2017, 09:39 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 27' Airstream 270
Scotia
, New York
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,082
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I am redrilling them. The holes in the plastic headliner are to large for the rivet to grip.
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09-20-2017, 10:43 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,115
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WayneG
I am redrilling them. The holes in the plastic headliner are to large for the rivet to grip.
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Makes sense, in that situation you don't have a lot of choice in the matter.
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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09-20-2017, 10:45 AM
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#97
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin300662
I think Brad took lots of photos when dismantling his 345 so hopefully he can add more.
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In hind sight I wish I had taken a lot more than I did
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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09-20-2017, 11:13 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 27' Airstream 270
Scotia
, New York
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,082
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The photo you have was definitely a help. I could see that the only thing that may have been holding the headliner up is the brackets for the visors, and there are a lot of stress cracks around them, I did not want to tempt fate by pulling to hard.
As for MaxD's suggestion, I did that last fall, but I guess there could be a spot I missed, that is a easy check.
The huge dent in the front cap is not visible from where I sit so it is a problem that can wait, unless there is a small crack in the shell and that is my water problem.
Now I am waiting for the temps in the MH to get below 80 so I can survive in there while drilling. BTW, I made a small tool to help reinstall the headliner.
It is a piece of stainless about 1" wide, 3" long and about 1/8" thick
I used a bandsaw to cut a groove in one end, across the 1" width, wide enough to fit over the edge of the metal support bracket. About 1/2" up on the other side I cut a notch to stop the headliner from slipping past that point as I pried the headliner above the bracket. I should have made 2 of them, but with that and a sturdy putty knife, and a lot of sweet, it went back in to place
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09-21-2017, 07:18 PM
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#99
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Rivet Master
1979 24' Airstream Excella 24
Tipp City
, Ohio
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 551
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Wayne
I repaired my ABS with MEK and strips of ABS . Take a look at post 55 in countdown to kick off.
Removing the headliner is definitely a two man job. You can get it out and you can make a permanent repair . You do have to be persistant.
Also, on your leaks. Look closely at the lapseam that runs across the roof right over the driver and passenger seats. That wash where my problem was. I finally got it sealed with a sealant from JC that comes in a can with a pump.
I remember wanting to give up my self at the time, your are soo close to resolving the problem.
Don't give up now😉
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09-21-2017, 10:32 PM
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#100
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3 Rivet Member
1976 28' Argosy 28
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 120
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregsch
Wayne
I repaired my ABS with MEK and strips of ABS . Take a look at post 55 in countdown to kick off.
Removing the headliner is definitely a two man job. You can get it out and you can make a permanent repair . You do have to be persistant.
Also, on your leaks. Look closely at the lapseam that runs across the roof right over the driver and passenger seats. That wash where my problem was. I finally got it sealed with a sealant from JC that comes in a can with a pump.
I remember wanting to give up my self at the time, your are soo close to resolving the problem.
Don't give up now😉
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My headliners were all broke, I used wood and construction adhesive. Didn't work. Wish you could get new ones.
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