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04-22-2015, 05:39 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Charleston
, West Virginia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,226
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Front interior cap/headliner replacement?
The plastic front interior cap above the driver/passenger in my 1977 continues to crack. Are there any replacements available? If not, what are my options for replacing it?
I did drill tiny holes to stop some cracking but it is falling apart around the sun visor mount.
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04-22-2015, 09:05 PM
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Rivet Master
1976 27' Overlander
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 796
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Wood or metal seem to be the most common for those that completely remove the endcaps. I think I'll be doing aluminum, but I'm not quite to that point yet. Colin Hyde just came out with a kit, where he provides the precut and pre-punched aluminum segments. larry b did it in a way that looks relatively painless here: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f46/...ed-102982.html
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04-22-2015, 09:25 PM
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
, Kent
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,533
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The aluminum kits won't work in the motorhome cab. I have just had all new aluminum skins added to my 20ft, including the end cap, but the cab is a totally different shape and there is 'nothing' to attach a aluminum panel to - not saying it can't be done, but it is a totally different task to replacing an end cap. I am having to have the original cap refurb'ed and re-installed. I sent Fred a pm saying he can have the cab cap from my donor if it is OK
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06-30-2015, 05:01 PM
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Rivet Master
1979 24' Airstream Excella 24
Tipp City
, Ohio
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 551
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Fred, Not sure if you did anything with your cap in the last couple months. I just fixed mine by reinforcing it with some ABS plastic. Only time will tell but, right now it seems like the problem is solved. I removed it and made the repair on the back side. Total cost less than $100.
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06-30-2015, 05:44 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Charleston
, West Virginia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,226
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I have not done anything yet. Priorities....
That is all good to know. Seems pulling it down and reinforcing it is the only option.
I did hear a rumor that the reason Airstream no longer has these is that the mold was lost in a fire(?).
I was told they are an ABS Plastic with a high petroleum content. This person recommended "Plastic Welding". I was also told to be careful not to get too hot or it will melt (i.e. using an epoxy or resin would create heat).
Did you coat the back with the ABS cement to reinforce it or just work on the broken spots? I was thinking about a full coating of ABS cement on the back to make the whole thing stronger.
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06-30-2015, 06:43 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 31' Sovereign
1979 23' Safari
Wayland
, New York
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,632
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Just laying down abs cement won't add any support, it's got to be reinforced by something. Did the edges of my end caps by using a 2" strip of aluminum that I gorilla glue epoxied the whole length behind the holes that would support the end cap. Had to do about 1.5-2 ft a day so what I laid down could set without disturbing the epoxy as it began to set. Also drilled the end holes for cracks and reinforced the big cracks same way. I used wood clothes pins covered with masking tape as clamps along the edge.
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06-30-2015, 06:45 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 31' Sovereign
1979 23' Safari
Wayland
, New York
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,632
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If you cement, glue, or epoxy make sure to clean and rough up the surface a little bit.
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06-30-2015, 06:50 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 31' Sovereign
1979 23' Safari
Wayland
, New York
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,632
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Use slightly larger holes at the end of the cracks. 1/8-5/32". You can then tape over the hole and fill the hole with epoxy, then sand it smooth when set, it'll be almost unnoticeable if painted over.
Bigger cracks need reinforcement.
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06-30-2015, 07:07 PM
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
, Kent
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,533
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Wonder what the break even point is (in terms of numbers) for getting a new ones made?
I spoke to a local company that can make a mold using my cracked one for around $1500-2000, but was then saying each cap would be around $700, so basically the first 10 would come in at around $900 to cover the cost of the mold.
This seems a little steep when the regular end caps (trailer or motorhome) are available for a little over $300 ( Rear End Liner Motorhome Classic and Front and Rear Trailer 1983-1994)
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07-01-2015, 05:57 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,115
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin300662
Wonder what the break even point is (in terms of numbers) for getting a new ones made?
I spoke to a local company that can make a mold using my cracked one for around $1500-2000, but was then saying each cap would be around $700, so basically the first 10 would come in at around $900 to cover the cost of the mold.
This seems a little steep when the regular end caps (trailer or motorhome) are available for a little over $300 ( Rear End Liner Motorhome Classic and Front and Rear Trailer 1983-1994)
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If I remember correctly I also have the front and rear interior caps for a 1986 345. I didn't have the heart to scrap them when I dismantled the 345. They currently reside in my barn loft.
Not so sure your $900 would be considered to much to pay, I believe the real expense would show up when you tried to ship them to their future owners.
Brad
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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07-01-2015, 05:23 PM
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
, Kent
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,533
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
If I remember correctly I also have the front and rear interior caps for a 1986 345. I didn't have the heart to scrap them when I dismantled the 345. They currently reside in my barn loft.
Not so sure your $900 would be considered to much to pay, I believe the real expense would show up when you tried to ship them to their future owners.
Brad
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Good point Brad.
I may just have a play with the cracked one I have and see if I could get a mold off of it. It is trashed anyway so worth a try.
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07-04-2015, 02:05 PM
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Rivet Master
1979 24' Airstream Excella 24
Tipp City
, Ohio
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 551
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Your shell is ABS. ABS is relatively easy to work with. ABS can be returned to its liquid state by adding MEK. If you mix ABS chips and MEK in a glass jar for a couple days it will turn into a paste. That paste can be formed to any shape and allowed to harden. If you don't like the result simply and MEK and start over. There are several threads on the subject, just search on ABS, MEK.
A previous owner tried to repair my front fascia with fiberglass. That just made a mess.
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11-30-2016, 07:21 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Charleston
, West Virginia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,226
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregsch
Fred, Not sure if you did anything with your cap in the last couple months. I just fixed mine by reinforcing it with some ABS plastic. Only time will tell but, right now it seems like the problem is solved. I removed it and made the repair on the back side. Total cost less than $100.
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I have not addressed the cap yet but I might soon.
What are the white pieces? Are they ABS plastic sheets? How thick are they?
So then you used ABS glue between the cap and the reinforcing pieces?
Did you then put up fiberglass insulation behind the cap?
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11-30-2016, 07:58 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Charleston
, West Virginia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,226
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Is this the type of thing you used? This is ABS sheets with a thickness of 0.060".
http://www.eplastics.com/Plastic/ABSWHT0-060HC24X48
Others are saying they used fiberglass sheets and ABS cement.
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12-01-2016, 01:12 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1982 31' Airstream 310
Henniker
, New Hampshire
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 215
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Henniker New Hampshire
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12-02-2016, 08:36 PM
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Rivet Master
1979 24' Airstream Excella 24
Tipp City
, Ohio
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 551
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ViewRVs
I have not addressed the cap yet but I might soon.
What are the white pieces? Are they ABS plastic sheets? How thick are they?
So then you used ABS glue between the cap and the reinforcing pieces?
Did you then put up fiberglass insulation behind the cap?
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Yes, the white pieces are strips of ABS. I got mine from Pop Signs on e-bay but, it looks like the same thing in your link. Use a heat gun to soften the strips on shape them to match the contour of your end cap. I placed a wet rag on the other side of the end cap so that it did not distort when placing the hot strip on the end cap. Often when I let it cool the first time it did not fit as well as I wanted. I simply heated it back up and did it again until I liked the fit.
I used 1/16" and 1/8" pieces. The thinner material is easier to heat and shape but, the thicker is much stronger. I used the thicker material on simple shapes and the thinner material on more complex shapes like around the visors. The key is being patient and getting the shape just right before gluing it up. I used some of the black ABS glue used in plumbing but, I found that plain MEK works as well or better. Just brush the MEK on the surface until there is a significant slurry on the surface of both pieces then quickly assemble them and clamp for 24 hours.
Practice on a couple pieces of scrap until you get the technique down. I think I posted some pics and narrative in my thread 'countdown to kick off'
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12-02-2016, 08:44 PM
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Rivet Master
1979 24' Airstream Excella 24
Tipp City
, Ohio
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 551
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Yes, I glued 2" thick fiberglass to the underside of the aluminum skin and let the glue set up overnight before replacing the ABS end cap. I used Formica glue but you can use about anything.
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12-13-2016, 04:00 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Charleston
, West Virginia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,226
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Woo Hoo! I managed to get the 39-year old ABS plastic cap out without it shattering into 1,000 pieces! Clearly Airstream thought the coach would be in the junk yard before that thing needed to be replaced!
Now is the $64,000 question. Do I patched this one together and slap it back up or do we get a mold made from mine and get a brand new one?
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12-13-2016, 04:32 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Charleston
, West Virginia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,226
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin300662
I am having to have the original cap refurb'ed and re-installed. I sent Fred a pm saying he can have the cab cap from my donor if it is OK
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What did they do to refurbish it?
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12-13-2016, 06:19 PM
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Rivet Master
1979 24' Airstream Excella 24
Tipp City
, Ohio
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 551
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They can be a bear to remove , can't they!
That doesn't look any worse than mine when I started. After repairing mine I did not even have to paint it, I was able to save the original finish.
Brad or Martin have some experience making a mold for the front valance. I bet they could give you an idea what something like that would cost. I would guess a couple thousand to make a mold and the better part of a thousand for each duplicate. They were working with fiberglass, I doubt making duplicates with ABS is an option.
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