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Old 04-06-2018, 02:02 PM   #15
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If you are referring to the deadbolt integrated into the silver door handle. I have replaced mine. I used a schlage deadbolt mechanism. Google the site and you'll find some threads. From memory, Brad did one which showed the Airstream modified pin which turns the lock. This seems to fail or cause failure over time, but is an easy fix. Don't drop the mechanism between the skins.


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Mate I think my pin has broken the key turns the lock but not all the way and the latch on the inside doesn't move so I think it's the pin that has broken.....

I've seen this is this the kit you need??

http://airstreamsupply.com/New-Airst...roduct_id=1670

Also how easy is It to access and change?

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Old 04-06-2018, 05:38 PM   #16
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In my case it is the deadbolt, not the regular latch lock that has failed - it looks similar to the VTS unit (below) but the bolt retracts flush back into the lock, not the reinforcing circle of the modern unit and so is not a direct replacement.

Martin, did AS NE install that deadbolt or was it in the door when you bought the Argosy?
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Mate I think my pin has broken the key turns the lock but not all the way and the latch on the inside doesn't move so I think it's the pin that has broken.....

I've seen this is this the kit you need??

http://airstreamsupply.com/New-Airst...roduct_id=1670

Also how easy is It to access and change?

Thanks

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Tom, the only deadbolts I'm familiar with are the ones used in the Airstream Classic motorhomes. The kit in the link you attached doesn't look quite like the ones I'm familiar with. That's not to say it won't work but the long pin is visually different. The ones in the Classic's are about 3/16" square, about 1-1/2" long and the square part is welded to the flat pin as shown in the picture.

If your pin is just broken there's a good chance it can be repaired. The hardest part will probably be in gaining access to the be able to remove things. On the 310 and 345 motorhomes you have to remove the inside door trim and peel back the skin. On the 310 I actually had to cut a hole in the skin due to an interior wall.

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Thanks for replying mate and luckily my door trim is off and I can gain access to the rear so I don't need to cut a hole or well I hope I don't heve too ha ha

I'll see how I get on today!
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Martin, did AS NE install that deadbolt or was it in the door when you bought the Argosy?
AS NE installed a new latch lock/repair panel to let a new latch lock be installed, but the Schlage deadbolt was already there.

The throw when using the tumble latch from inside works great, and the key turn is positive, so I am assuming it is just the tailpiece (at least I think that is the name for the bar that engages the actual bolt!) that is worn. If that is the case I just need a new rim cylinder. The issue is finding one that matches!
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AS NE installed a new latch lock/repair panel to let a new latch lock be installed, but the Schlage deadbolt was already there.

The throw when using the tumble latch from inside works great, and the key turn is positive, so I am assuming it is just the tailpiece (at least I think that is the name for the bar that engages the actual bolt!) that is worn. If that is the case I just need a new rim cylinder. The issue is finding one that matches!
I remember AS NE did the entry latch but I couldn't remember about the dead bolt.

Is there any writing or numbers on your existing dead bolt? My guess is if parts are available you won't find them in the UK. Send me what info you can and I'll see what I can find.
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Exterior handle removed and lock taken to locksmith

I cut through the inside panel to access the four 7/16" nuts that attach the exterior handle to the exterior skin. When I removed the lockset it was evident that water had rusted the end of the tumbler where the square shank attaches. I took the parts to a locksmith and the owner said she had never seen a shaft of that type associated with a Schlage lockset.

The locksmith kept the parts and said they will do what they can to repair it. Unfortunately I did not take a picture before I took to locksmith so I won't be able to post any until I get it back.

The door handle must be removed in order to remove the lockset. Cutting through the inside wall to get to the 7/16" nuts is not for the faint of heart but is necessary if you intend to repair the lock. One way or another I will find a solution and keep those of you who are interested of the progress and results.
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The Rimset from Silver Trailer Supply looks like mine with the exception that mine has a square cross section of the rod versus a thinner rectangular one. I am thinking as a last resort I could buy it then TIG weld the square rod to the rectangular one.
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I have the same issue on my 1991 Classic. As per my other posts, I bought a replacement Schlage Rim Cylinder Horizontal 20-022 626 KD mw. It was a very close match - good enough in my view. The rim of the cylinder protrudes about 1mm from the deadlock handle. You wouldnít notice it unless I pointed it out. I put a tiny bit of silicone inside to stop water ingress. Someone might be able to find a perfect match.
You have to cut a hole in the inner skin to remove the old assembly. Watch what you are doing and donít cut too bigca Home inside because you need to retain enough of the skin to re-attach the two long bolts securely.
If we are talking about the same issue/fault. It is caused by the inner part of the original schlage assembly getting worn away by the end of the Airstream modified bolt. My original bolt could not be re-purposed. The shaft length was different. The solution is to weld the end of the original Airstream bolt to the new shaft ensuring it is correct length/fit.
I think my issue was identical to one of Brads and if you google his posts, youíll see some pictures of the Airstream modified bolt.
Donít drop the bits between the inner and outer skins.

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I have the same issue on my 1991 Classic. As per my other posts, I bought a replacement Schlage Rim Cylinder Horizontal 20-022 626 KD mw. It was a very close match - good enough in my view. The rim of the cylinder protrudes about 1mm from the deadlock handle. You wouldnít notice it unless I pointed it out. I put a tiny bit of silicone inside to stop water ingress. Someone might be able to find a perfect match.
You have to cut a hole in the inner skin to remove the old assembly. Watch what you are doing and donít cut too bigca Home inside because you need to retain enough of the skin to re-attach the two long bolts securely.
If we are talking about the same issue/fault. It is caused by the inner part of the original schlage assembly getting worn away by the end of the Airstream modified bolt. My original bolt could not be re-purposed. The shaft length was different. The solution is to weld the end of the original Airstream bolt to the new shaft ensuring it is correct length/fit.
I think my issue was identical to one of Brads and if you google his posts, youíll see some pictures of the Airstream modified bolt.
Donít drop the bits between the inner and outer skins.

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Now you have me thinking Nick (never a good thing!). I really hadn't done anything about the deadbolt situation because I thought it was a straightforward job to remove the cylinder rim and the issue was finding the replacement. Typically a deadbolt is inserted from the outside edge and retained by 2 screws, with the cylinder rim and thumb latch secured by the two screws that sandwich the whole assembly in place. What parts are only accessible between the inner and outer skins?

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The Rimset from Silver Trailer Supply looks like mine with the exception that mine has a square cross section of the rod versus a thinner rectangular one. I am thinking as a last resort I could buy it then TIG weld the square rod to the rectangular one.
I believe that is what Airstream did, tig welded the square section onto a standard tail section. My guess is they mixed and matched parts to fit what they were trying to build.
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Now you have me thinking Nick (never a good thing!). I really hadn't done anything about the deadbolt situation because I thought it was a straightforward job to remove the cylinder rim and the issue was finding the replacement. Typically a deadbolt is inserted from the outside edge and retained by 2 screws, with the cylinder rim and thumb latch secured by the two screws that sandwich the whole assembly in place. What parts are only accessible between the inner and outer skins?

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Martin, if you read through this thread Classic deadbolt & actuator access pictures that I started back in 2012 you'll see what the Classic owners are dealing with.

There is a big difference in how your deadbolt is installed compared to the Classics. Airstream certainly made it a complex setup.

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Martin, if you read through this thread Classic deadbolt & actuator access pictures that I started back in 2012 you'll see what the Classic owners are dealing with.



There is a big difference in how your deadbolt is installed compared to the Classics. Airstream certainly made it a complex setup.



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Martin - my coach has a dash button to open and close the deadbolt. The gubbins which makes that all work is in between the skins. You need to disconnect it to connect up the new mechanism.

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Martin, if you read through this thread Classic deadbolt & actuator access pictures that I started back in 2012 you'll see what the Classic owners are dealing with.

There is a big difference in how your deadbolt is installed compared to the Classics. Airstream certainly made it a complex setup.

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Like most things Airstream do, the first question is....what on Earth was they thinking? If there was an exact opposite of the KISS (keep it simple, stupid!) principal, they continually operate it.
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