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Old 11-16-2015, 04:16 PM   #57
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14' on a 2x8, trampoline. A wee bouncy in the center. Blocking in between joists may help a little. Piers and a beam would help a lot. No fun either way.
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Mike, the original joists and sill plates were 1-3/4" thick by 7-3/4" tall which makes them somewhat stronger than modern 1-1/2" x 7-1/4" lumber that you get today. But even the original larger lumber was way undersized for a 14' span. You're right, it was like walking on a trampoline!

One of the fixes along with scabbing new floor joists to the old was to put a concrete block with a 4x4 post and wood shims under each joist in the center of it's span. On the back half of the house where the joist repairs are complete and all the joist support posts are in place it's like walking on a concrete floor. A HUGE change from what it was when we first walked into the house after he purchased it.
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Old 11-16-2015, 05:13 PM   #59
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Martin, it looks like I'll be talking to you about figuring out where to have a mold made once I have the valance repaired.

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No worries Brad, equally if you can get yours close enough for you to use then don't risk ruining it to get a mold made. I can always come up with a 'plan B'.
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Martin,

I think going for a mold is the best approach. If making a mold from mine ruins it we're still ahead as there would now be a way to make replacements should we suffer damage of any kind. I do like the idea of a 3 piece mold as it would sure be simpler to handle and install.

I'm hoping to have the major repairs done to the valance by the end of the Thanksgiving weekend. Part of that weekend will be spent working on the house but I'm planning on a few days of personal time as well
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Old 11-22-2015, 05:41 PM   #61
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Still making progress on the front valance. There were a lot more cracks and tears in this thing than I originally thought. Here's some of the latest patches I've made and I'm happy to say the valance gets stiffer with every crack that's repaired.

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I'm still shooting for the end of the Thanksgiving weekend to get the valance to the point where I can try to remount. Once mounted I can start fabricating a frame to hold it in the correct shape.

Stay tuned...
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Still making progress on the front valance. There were a lot more cracks and tears in this thing than I originally thought. Here's some of the latest patches I've made and I'm happy to say the valance gets stiffer with every crack that's repaired.

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I'm still shooting for the end of the Thanksgiving weekend to get the valance to the point where I can try to remount. Once mounted I can start fabricating a frame to hold it in the correct shape.

Stay tuned...
Great work Brad!
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If you replaced those beams with engineered plywood beams of the same width and spanning the same distance, you'd have no flex.

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Old 11-23-2015, 06:40 AM   #64
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If you replaced those beams with engineered plywood beams of the same width and spanning the same distance, you'd have no flex.

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Tony, that would be the right way to do it. However budget and time constraints mean that can't happen.

We're down to the last 18' of sill to replace. Unfortunately that last 18' was behind a concrete porch/slab. For the front porch some idiot PO built a concrete retaining wall, filled it with dirt and then poured a 5" slab on top of it. That would have worked fine except they built it flush with the bottom of the front door covering up about 14" of siding in the process. Then they back filled the dirt right up to the siding
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The joists are rotted enough that you can't use them as jacking points so I have to jack up the wall in about 32" sections, placing new sill, joists, headers, floor plate and flooring in that small stretch. This is the best I can do with the tools and money that is available.

The good news is by the end of the Thanksgiving weekend this work will all be done and we can then concentrate on getting the siding re-installed.

Then I will be able to start concentrating on my Argosy again

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Old 11-23-2015, 07:01 AM   #65
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I sure hope your buddy knew what he was getting into when he bought this house and it wasnt a "holy crap" moment. Doesnt look like there is much, if any, crawl space. No fun at all. When you get it done, and all buttoned up, no one will ever know how much nasty work you guys have done to get it repaired. That would be one hefty bill if he had a contractor do that work. Sure is awfully nice of you to help out a friend with that kind of a job!!
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I sure hope your buddy knew what he was getting into when he bought this house and it wasnt a "holy crap" moment. Doesnt look like there is much, if any, crawl space. No fun at all. When you get it done, and all buttoned up, no one will ever know how much nasty work you guys have done to get it repaired. That would be one hefty bill if he had a contractor do that work. Sure is awfully nice of you to help out a friend with that kind of a job!!
Yes and no. We knew there were floor joists and sill issues but we originally thought the damage was confined to the back of the house. There was no real way to get an in depth look at the house prior to purchase. The buyers were in California and the house is in Kentucky. I checked things out as best I could and other than the back which was obvious the rest was difficult to see without tearing off a lot of siding.

Fortunately the added cost of materials is not that bad (for the most part just joists, sill, header and plywood). If a contractor was involved the cost would have sky rocketed by now. As it is the only impact has been time and materials. The back half of the house is done (other than siding) and the floors are rock solid and for the most part level.

They bought the house at a good enough price that when it's all said and done they will still be money ahead. Of course they're spending more than originally estimated but not enough to be a show stopper.

I figure I should help, after all I helped get them into this mess

Besides, what else would I be doing with my time...
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Quick update.

After replacing 136' of sill and header, scabbing in 60 joists and replacing 20 sheets of plywood along with 20 sheets of 3/4" particle board the worst is over. There is lots more to be done but most of it can be done without me being around to help. I'll still help from time to time but now I can start moving forward again with the Argosy rebuild

As far as the valance goes I'v been doing crack repairs most evenings for quite a while now and tonight I patched the last structural crack. If things go according to plan I'm going to try and remount it the Argosy tomorrow and start fabricating the jig to hold it in shape.

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I tried fitting the valance yesterday and unfortunately I think it's going to be a two man job. I got it part way on by myself but due to the ears on the front bumper supports and the way Airstream cut the holes in the front of the valance makes it almost impossible without help. It was easier to take off because of all the tears in it but now it doesn't flex as much!

Since I'm planning on reworking the front bumper mounts I think I'm going to cut the ears off to make things easier.
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Another thing that will make it difficult to do by myself is the sides of the valance slide into grooves on the edge of the front wheel aluminum trim. I'm out of town this coming weekend and won't have help available until a week from next Wednesday

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Definitely does not sound like a one person job Brad.

I can understand what you mean by the valance sliding into the front wheel trim, when I was looking to making one from scratch I was probably going to remove the trim, then refit - is that an option?
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Definitely does not sound like a one person job Brad.

I can understand what you mean by the valance sliding into the front wheel trim, when I was looking to making one from scratch I was probably going to remove the trim, then refit - is that an option?
Martin, removing the trim is certainly an option and might actually be the only way.

I'll trim the bumper supports first and then see about getting help. After I get back from my trip I'll have about 6 days of to tinker with what I want and the valance is at the top of the list.
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