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Old 06-23-2003, 12:57 PM   #29
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IF I was wealthy, I would spring for it, but that seems like a one size fits all kind of fix.

Motor trouble=new motor, don't bother fixing it, just replace it. yeah right!

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Ticking and tranny problems could be a bad flex plate. It could walk the the guts back and forth in the tranny and get them out of alignment. It would also cause a noise that sounds just like a knocking rod.
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The engines, ticking, we haven't bothered to look at it yet, must need a new motor - hmmm..Sounds to me like you need a new mechanic.
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Stephanie,

Working on that right now.

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Would the noise be there even in park? It seems to make the noise in relation to engine speed, not vehicle speed. Also could a bad flex plate cause the govenor failures? Both of the guys I spoke with said they had not ever heard of one failing in that few miles.

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IF I was wealthy, I would spring for it, but that seems like a one size fits all kind of fix.

Motor trouble=new motor, don't bother fixing it, just replace it. yeah right!

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brett,

pull the valve covers and at least take a look, could be something as stupid as a cracked rocker arm!

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Stephanie,

Working on that right now.

59,

Would the noise be there even in park? It seems to make the noise in relation to engine speed, not vehicle speed. Also could a bad flex plate cause the govenor failures? Both of the guys I spoke with said they had not ever heard of one failing in that few miles.

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Yep. Flex plate is bolted directly to the crank. The Torq converter bolts to it. They do fail and they make bad sounding noises. My buddy has had to fail on his service van in about 20k. GM had some plates that they made with to thin of a gage and they were failing prematurly.

You can remove the dust sheild on the tranny. Look in the sheild and the bell housing and see if you see a lot of metalic dust. That's a sign it's failed. Hard to get a good look at it with the transmission in there but see if you can see anything. You can un bolt the converter from the plate and slide it towards the transmission about a 1/2 inch. Then you can push on the flex plate some and see if you can spot any cracks up where it bolts to the crank.
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Easier yet if it is a flex plate. Put it in gear with the brakes on the noise will stop, it takes the slop up and no noise.

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In gear with the brakes applied and I still have the noise. So it must be in the engine.

I wish I was with the MH to do some stuff, like pulling the valve cover, but I am in FLA supposedly at work, so I cannot. The mechanic that is going to look tonight will have access to my tools and he said he may pull the valve cover to check on simple stuff.
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In gear with the brakes applied and I still have the noise. So it must be in the engine.

I wish I was with the MH to do some stuff, like pulling the valve cover, but I am in FLA supposedly at work, so I cannot. The mechanic that is going to look tonight will have access to my tools and he said he may pull the valve cover to check on simple stuff.
Well sometimes the brake trick doesn't make it stop. Most of the time it does. I'm looking at this from a what could answer both issues your having. THe knocking noise a cracked flex plate will make is sometimes the nub on the Torque converter bouncing against the back of the crank shaft. It's a bad thing and can trash the thrust bearings. Now bad thrust breaings is usualy accompanied by bad oil pressure. Were talking 5 psi at idle , hot.

454 are also prone to craking exhaust manifolds and and blowing exhaust manifold gaskets. Don't mistake a exhaust leak for something more serious.
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Well the second opinon is in and the second mechanic also said "new engine". I will talk with him on the phone tommrow. Edie said the knock was MUCH louder with the engine cover removed. So we now need to move it to the new guy so he can pull covers and drop the pan to be sure it needs the whole thing.
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brett,

sorry to hear the bad news...

here is a link for what it is worth......


http://www.gmgoodwrench.com/PartsAcc...74LEngine.html

if you go to the bottom of the page there is another link for the 502 ram jett option, it's under "crate engines".

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Sorry to read about your problems. If a replacement engine is in the cards think seriously about a Goodwrench engine as they are reasonably priced, model specific (to your chassis) and come with a 3/50K warranty. Canvass several GM dealers then check with the Pace Automotive group for a price (including shipping). I have attached the URL for you to peruse.

http://www.paceparts.com/subcatmfgpr...3&1=364&2=1112

You need the whole line to go to the 7.4 engines directly. Price is generally better than anything you can get locally and they have a nationwide warranty. These are not performance engines simply GM remans. Pace and other performance shops have other versions of the BBC with more torque and HP at additional cost. I used to work for a GM dealer but no longer, however, I still think the BBC is one tough piece of equipment (just how fast was that engine spinning??!!)

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Old 06-23-2003, 08:19 PM   #42
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Thanks for the links!

I am doing a ton of research!

As to the RPM's I was cruising at 65, 3100 RPMs, when the Gov went bye bye and dropped the tranny into neutral. I do not know how high the RPMs went, but I killed the cruise in 1-2 seconds. Still too long I guess
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