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Old 08-25-2013, 05:48 PM   #211
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Dave,

To the best of my knowledge the Argosies never had weep hole covers on any of the windows. The cockpit weep holes are the same on all of the Argosies and Classics but the covers are NLA.

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Old 08-25-2013, 05:56 PM   #212
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I wonder why they put them on the classics then. Hmmm As far as NLA, wasn't there someone on the forum that had a run made. I don't know if they did the smaller ones. But from what I have seen it would be a pretty simple process to make. But then again, why make something that hasn't been needed for almost 40 years!
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:39 PM   #213
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Other than to keep bugs out I don't know why they put them on the Classics. As far as I'm concerned they make things worse by clogging up.

The weep hole covers that were made recently were the large covers for the side windows.
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Yeah your right. Beside nothing a little piece of nylon screen wont fix. As for me I have far bigger wholes to worry about!!
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:20 PM   #215
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Yeah your right. Beside nothing a little piece of nylon screen wont fix. As for me I have far bigger wholes to worry about!!
That makes two of us

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Old 08-26-2013, 07:19 PM   #216
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I wished we lived closer. We could switch weekends working on the motorhomes. I think the biggest issue is the lack of moral support or someone to say "What the hell, go for it" instead of constantly second guessing myself! Right now I am stuck on the bed design.. But more about that on my thread
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:46 PM   #217
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I wished we lived closer. We could switch weekends working on the motorhomes. I think the biggest issue is the lack of moral support or someone to say "What the hell, go for it" instead of constantly second guessing myself! Right now I am stuck on the bed design.. But more about that on my thread
That might not be a good thing (for me) as I tend to work on other peoples things before I work on mine That means mine would never get done!
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Old 08-30-2013, 01:50 PM   #218
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I've been trying to figure out what to do about the original tail light housing assembly that was on the Argosy. The plastic housing itself is in pretty rough condition with large cracks all over the place. What makes it even less appealing is the fact that the lens themselves are no longer available so if one gets broken at some point I'm hosed.

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I then acquired a replacement plastic housing from a 78 Argosy motorhome via a forum member. While it's complete it also has some cracks that need to be dealt with although not near as bad as my original plastic housing. The following picture shows the style I'm referring too. I do like the square light assemblies which are readily available as replacement items.

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Then a while back I ran across an auction on ebay for a pair of pre-74 Excella tail lights so I bid on them on won. The only thing I don't like about these lights is the fact that the lenses are slightly smaller than the square ones.

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Since I have a 74 Excella trailer that will likely be parted out I decided to remove it's tail lights in case I decide they would be a better option. So today I spent about an hour removing the two Excella tail light assemblies. These lights would likely be the best choice because they use the square lights and as a bonus there is an extra light on each side for better lighting from the rear.

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What really surprised me was both of the Excella trailer lights were held in by rivets and not screws. It appeared to be a rigid installation but it still makes me wonder whether that's the best method available

So now my decision is which tail light setup to use. The original setup is out, it's just not worth the hassle of repairing the plastic housing and then worrying about breaking a lens.

I like the later Argosy lights but again the plastic housing is a worry because no matter what they will always crack. It's just a matter of time. The good thing about this housing is there are no large holes to cut in the outer shell unlike either of the Excella trailer lights which require large rectangular openings.

Decisions decisions

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Good Luck in your decision! I am personally going for sustainability. So if I am redoing something, I am doing it to where parts are readily available vice putting it back to original. It is going to be harder and more expensive in the near term, but I am hoping it pays off in the long run!
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Old 08-31-2013, 03:31 PM   #220
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...I am personally going for sustainability. So if I am redoing something, I am doing it to where parts are readily available vice putting it back to original...
Sustainability was the primary reason we bought the 345 to use as spare parts. So many things are no longer available buying one for parts seemed the best alternative.
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:29 PM   #221
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I think I'm getting real close to declaring victory on water leaks in the front of the motorhome

We had a real gully gusher a little while ago so I went and stayed inside the motorhome looking for leaks. I've definitely stopped the windshield leak (Thanks Peter!) and the leak I had due to the weep holes not being present on the drivers side cockpit window is now gone. That's a big relief

But, there's always a but isn't there!, there are still two leaks associated with the drivers cockpit window. The first is due to a design flaw by Airstream on the early Argosy cockpit window installations that was later rectified on the Classic series.

If you look at the picture below you'll see a drip forming on the bottom of the aluminum channel. Water gets to that point because of the holes drilled in the aluminum window frame underneath the window seal/track. Nothing wrong with having a drain hole in that location, in fact it's a good idea. The problem occurs because the aluminum channel directly below has no place for the water to go. So it puddles up in the low point of the channel which in my case is the rear corner because my front end is currently up on jack stands. You can see the puddle forming in the second picture.

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In the picture below the channel circled in red is the channel that fills with water dripping through the drain holes in the channel directly above. Like I said those holes are a good thing, if they weren't there the water that wicks through the seals would end up running down the walls inside the coach. The problem lies in the fact that the channel circled in red has no place for the water to go. The blue line indicates where the cockpit inner wall is placed and sealed with vulkem. Once that channel gets full of water it runs down on the inside of the wall right onto your wood/carpet floor. The fourth picture shows the inner skin installed so you can see how that lower channel would overflow right into the coach.

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When the coach is fully assembled (mine obviously isn't!) you don't see that lower channel because of decorative wall panel that is installed. The only way you'll know you have a problem is when your cockpit floor starts getting wet. The solution for the Argosies is to drill additional holes through the lower channel so the water can drain. In an Argosy the area below is open so the draining water won't be a problem. However on the Classics Airstream filled the area in the green circle above with aluminum sheet.

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In the later Classic series Airstream fixed this problem by drilling a hole in this channel and attaching a drain pipe that ran down below the aluminum sheet that was added which drains the water below floor level. This allowed any water that weeped through the drain holes to exit the coach without causing damage. You can see the drain tube added by Airstream in the later coaches.

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I would venture to say in a Classic if you have good window seals and still have wet floors its a good possibility that your rubber hose is plugged, likely due to mud daubers.

As for my second water leak it's being caused by improperly sealed Olympic rivets. In the last two pictures you can see a water drop being created at the end of an Olympic rivet. I hadn't noticed before but my drivers cockpit window has apparently been removed and re-installed at least once before. There are rivet holes that have no rivets in them and the whole window has been riveted in place with Olympic rivets. The passenger side doesn't have any Olympic rivets and there is no water leaking in on that side.

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Fortunately the Olympic rivet leak will be an easy fix, at least compared to the other leaks that I've been fighting

In case you haven't been counting I have now found four different leak sources on the drivers cockpit window. The missing weep holes, the poor design allowing water to drip inside the coach onto the floor, leaking Olympic rivets and the PO added screw holes for mirrors on the window frame.

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Are the week hole covers needed. I have leaking issues with my 76. I've not tried to locate all the leaks yet.



[QUOTE=bkahler;1345566]Finally got around to cutting the weep holes in the drivers side cockpit window that Airstream conveniently left out
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Are the week hole covers needed. I have leaking issues with my 76. I've not tried to locate all the leaks yet.
I'm pretty sure the Argosies did not have weep hole covers installed originally. My understanding is their function is to keep bugs from crawling up into the weep holes. The covers have little screens inside. From what I've seen on the 345 and 310 the covers are pretty much useless and being made of plastic deteriorate and break over time. I have no plans to try and install any on my Argosy.

If your Argosy is anything like mine then the leaks are going to be fun to find and at times difficult to fix!

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Let me re-ask that.

Are the weep holes in the cockpit windows needed? I have leaking on both sides. Carpet/metal gets all wet.. BAD.. I saw how you cut weep holes in the sides.



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I'm pretty sure the Argosies did not have weep hole covers installed originally. My understanding is their function is to keep bugs from crawling up into the weep holes. The covers have little screens inside. From what I've seen on the 345 and 310 the covers are pretty much useless and being made of plastic deteriorate and break over time. I have no plans to try and install any on my Argosy.

If your Argosy is anything like mine then the leaks are going to be fun to find and at times difficult to fix!

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