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Old 10-07-2016, 05:23 AM   #29
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Something just seems off here...that's alot of rear-end sag for a Can-Am setup.
I believe you are mistaking an illusion created by the wide angle camera lens on the iPhone.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Old 10-07-2016, 06:41 AM   #31
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I believe you are mistaking an illusion created by the wide angle camera lens on the iPhone.

I believe you're mistaking an illusion of someone who cares 😂😂😂

Could NOT resist that, sorry kids! 😀
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Sorry, I must have missed you with your measuring tape at Can-Am when we picked up the trailer ... or maybe instead you were at the weight scale (before and after) to see the axle weights. Or, you should keep your speculations for something, of which, you have first hand knowledge.
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You could have the perfect setup and there are some on here who would spend hours trying to find fault.
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Old 10-07-2016, 09:55 AM   #34
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

You realize that you're effectively calling Adventure.AS a liar, right? Not cool.
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Old 10-07-2016, 01:20 PM   #35
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What kind of reinforcements did Can-Am make I've installed the factory hitchs on the new JK's there questionable at best?
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what kind of reinforcements did can-am make i've installed the factory hitchs on the new jk's there questionable at best?
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:09 PM   #37
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Glad to see people are using Wranglers for tow rigs, and not just to tow behind their RVs

I have owned 4 Wranglers, the last one was the first year of the Rubicon (with solid axles front and rear and the 4.0 I6), we drove that one from Washington DC to Portland Oregon pulling a very burdened 12' U-Haul trailer. I had a tuning chip, cold air intake, lower temp thermostat and upgraded exhaust (plus many other non-performance upgrades)...but we did the full trip at or above the speed limit, most of the time I didn't even know that the trailer was there other than having to downshift more on the grades.

Sadly my wife isn't as big of a fan of the Wranglers as I am, so we have a luxury cross over instead...though I do appreciate the comfort and *quiet* it offers vs the Wrangler.
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:51 PM   #38
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Hello all, we are new to the forum and quite new to Airstream. My wife and I just picked up our new 16' last Thursday and yes I was concerned about pulling behind our Jeep. I discussed with several dealers and reviewed many of the posts throughout the forum for some weeks before purchasing. In the end I was convinced, even though we were at the limit...that with the proper weight distribution system and break controller our Jeep could handle. We left the dealership in Northern Vermont for a 3 hour drive back to Central New Hampshire and I have to say I was very impressed on how the Jeep handled and the Airstream pulled. Yes going up some of the mountains in Vermont on I89S I had to drop to 5th and a couple times to 4th but some of those are a long haul (and not uncommon to drop to 5th without a trailer). The dealer set up our WDS and Airstream perfectly so we were well leveled not even a bobble or sway. Once we exited I89S on to Route 4 in NH the pull was no different than that of our trade-in (small and lightweight Clipper Pop-Up). Ample power from the Jeep and the entire way I was able to pull with confidence and no "white knuckles" as I had with our previous 2006 Jeep Wrangler and the pop-up.

I have seen many rather negative comments about pulling with a Wrangler Unlimited on the forums here but it seems they are most always from "non-Jeep people". The true test is to do your research and then once convinced as you can be hitch up and pull. I am sure (other than perhaps our West in the Rockies) you won't be disappointed with the results.

So just my 2 cents on this topic and wishing everyone here the best!!

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Towing Sport 16 With A Wrangler

I have a 2011 Wrangler Unlimited Sahara. Wish I'd sprung for the Rubicon but you live and you learn.

Anyway I'm considering purchasing a 16' Sport from the dealership next week (been thinking and researching for 2 months) and after reading everything I could find on here about Jeep tow ratings and pulling 16 foot Airstreams in particular I still haven't heard anyone specify that a Sahara can or can't do the job as well as a Rubicon.

Basically I want some reassurance that I won't have to do some seriously expensive modifications to pull this trailer. Does anyone feel like giving me some advice on what I actually NEED vs. what just makes for a smoother ride? If it wouldn't do any damage or add any unnecessary risk I'd like to start out with little to no modifications if possible then pay for some later as needed. I'm already stretching my finances buying this thing and I'm not going to be taking it out on the road immediately so I could always buy a better set up later. Any advice for a penny pincher? I don't want to sacrifice safety but I can deal with a little less stability if it means saving thousands of dollars.

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On a sidenote, if anyone has any general advice for me I'd love to hear it. I am buying this 16' Sport because I live in San Francisco and rent is completely insane. Luckily I have found someone who will let me park my AS in their driveway (at least temporarily) and I basically live at my girlfriend's house anyway so it will function as a home away from home as well as a potential "doghouse" if I ever need another place to stay for a night or two. It's a long story. I don't want to move in with my gf yet but I can't afford to keep paying thousands of dollars for an apartment I barely use. I also can't afford to make the down payment on a house in SF so rather than throw my money away on rent I'm throwing it into an Airstream that I could later sell if need be for a down payment. And in the meantime I'll save my money instead of paying rent. It's the only way I could think to build equity in a city where real estate STARTS around $1 million.

There's also the fact that I love to travel. I plan on using the AS every chance I get. We snowboard/ski in Tahoe and surf in Santa Cruz, plus Jenna (my gf) loves wine country so it will save us hotel costs assuming we are able to boondock.
*Any boondocking advice is welcome. I know it's hard, just not sure HOW hard.

Unfortunately I don't currently have a job where I can work remotely (I'm trying to fix that), so I'll need to stay in SF or in the Bay Area at least. That means storing it which is either very expensive to store it in a covered, secured location or it's slightly less expensive to store it in a weather-and-criminal-exposed driveway. The only place I've found to store it so far is the latter, in a pretty shady area of the Mission district. I've researched different security systems but would love advice on this as well. So far "Pro-Tec PTS-2C" seems to be highly-recommended, I don't know if Viper offers something trailer-specific (I need to look harder). That would be the most convenient for me because my jeep already has a great Viper system (hopefully the two would work in conjunction with one another).

I may need to ask these questions on a different forum. This may not exactly be the place since only the first half is jeep-related. Sorry for the long post, I've obviously got a lot to figure out still. It's either a really bad idea or it's a really good idea I don't know which but I'd love some input. Please be brutally honest with me.
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I have a 2011 Wrangler Unlimited Sahara. Wish I'd sprung for the Rubicon but you live and you learn.

Anyway I'm considering purchasing a 16' Sport from the dealership next week (been thinking and researching for 2 months) and after reading everything I could find on here about Jeep tow ratings and pulling 16 foot Airstreams in particular I still haven't heard anyone specify that a Sahara can or can't do the job as well as a Rubicon.
I can't speak to the rest of your items sine I've never owned an AS, we are still shopping. I can totally understand your story and am sympathetic, the housing market in the Bay Area is beyond bonkers. I just read a story last week talking about how living out of RVs and TTs is the new "middle class" for SF and Marin, and how there are leagues of these residents that just play cat and mouse with the police moving every few days to avoid being busted.

As for the Sahara vs Rubicon, the only real difference that would impact towing is likely the lower final gear ratio in the axles. The Rubicon has lower gearing (though I haven't kept up on them in more recent years, the last I owned was an '03) that would likely make it "easier" for it tow on inclines, but I wouldn't expect the Sport 16 to be that bad for you. When I did the tow I referenced coast-to-coast that wasn't even with an Unlimited, it was before they even released the longer wheel base Jeeps...so just the standard 2-door. The trailer had surge brakes, no sway control...and it towed fine, though it is a smaller trailer and had tandem axles.

Jeeps are still built really well, even if Daimler abandoned the reliable I-6 and the trail proven solid front axle. It is the only SUV that isn't gigantic that is body-on-frame, everything else is unibody until you get to the large end...too large for us living in the city of Portland too.

Be sure to get a good proportional brake controller and have it installed properly, I went with the Prodigy RF that puts all of the "brains" on the trailer and just a dumb remote for inside...partly since we expect to tow on occasion with something other than our primary TV (and may rent it to others) and didn't want to be restricted by brake controllers.

Wranglers have a massive aftermarket of upgrades that are available to help alleviate issues, they are one of the easiest vehicles to work on yourself. You can always upgrade suspension components if needed, etc. I would look on some of the Jeep forums about towing in general and look for those towing something in similar weight, such as "toy hauler" trailers.
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Look at the BARS on the WD hitch. Clearly, either they are the wrong bars for the wt trailer... OR... they are incorrectly adjusted and not doing the work for which intended. That hitch setup is just wrong for towing and has nothing to do with the camera lens.

He may have been sold a WD hitch needlessly. An ordinary ball hitch would do better than that.

(Anti sway would certainly be a good idea with such a short wheelbase TV.)
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I forgot to add one other detail, the geometry of a Wrangler help make up for it being small in many ways. There is so little overhang behind the rear axle, this decreases the lever effect of the hitch on the rear of the vehicle...if you compare that to many other SUVs or even full size trucks where the hitch can be several feet behind the axle, on the Wrangler th point of the weight transfer to the vehicle is conveniently close to the axle. If you relocate the spare tire you can use a shorter "stinger", or ball mount, that reduces that even further...of course you have to figure out what to do with that spare.
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