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Old 10-21-2014, 10:37 AM   #29
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Say if I bought a rear view camera, I don't need side mirror extension any more?

Any rear view camera you suggest? So you have a separate LCD to mount on the dash for the camera, right?
Side view mirrors just don't accomplish what you want to see and that's vehicles in the blind spot just behind your trailer. Furthermore, the ones that do enable you to see close behind stick out so far that going through toll booths are a danger to the money collectors.

If you have an iPhone 5 or 6, check out the one Wayne&Sam refers to in his post at rvrearviewcamera.com. There you can see a youtube video of the camera system in actual use.

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Old 10-21-2014, 12:56 PM   #30
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Say if I bought a rear view camera, I don't need side mirror extension any more?

Any rear view camera you suggest? So you have a separate LCD to mount on the dash for the camera, right?
No, I would always also have proper towing side mirrors.

The voyager system is excellent, I have a wireless display in the car that I just remove when I'm not using it.

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I use a an iOauto (magnetic) holder on a car specific double device ProClip mount to hold the display and my phone.

Kind of like this, but double mount bracket (not my car/picture).


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If you have an iPhone 5 or 6, check out the one Wayne&Sam refers to in his post at rvrearviewcamera.com. There you can see a youtube video of the camera system in actual use.

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Interesting idea but I wouldn't want my phone dedicated to a task like that while I'm driving. It would also get quite hot if the display was running constantly for 4-5+ hour drives.
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Old 10-21-2014, 01:03 PM   #31
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I've driven 7-8 hours without it over heating. Also, it's not dedicated as you can still receive and place calls and messages.

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Old 10-21-2014, 01:28 PM   #32
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Towing mirror: can see following cars directly behind the trailor?

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I've driven 7-8 hours without it over heating. Also, it's not dedicated as you can still receive and place calls and messages.

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Yes, I understand that, but then you lose access to the camera view if you (or likely your passenger) would want to use something that requires the screen. If you purposely don't use it (so as to not lose camera view), or end-up using another device (for the same reason) it's essentially dedicated.

Great, that it's working for you but I've used phone based cameras before and flip-flopping between functions isn't ideal for my wants/needs....especially for an important task like this.

Multifunctional devices have their place but so do dedicated devices.
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So for the duration of the call or message you lose the view you never had to begin with.


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Old 10-22-2014, 12:25 AM   #34
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Towing mirrors

I'm towing a 19' Bambi with a Toyota Tacoma and bought a French brand of side mirror extensions. When driving down a totally straight road I can see enough to know if someone is behind me. If I want to double check, a very slight weave in my own lane is enough to get a better look at what's behind me. I can't imagine the need for a camera while towing.
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Old 10-22-2014, 04:08 AM   #35
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knowing if someone is behind you is so simple; put on your turn signal and suddenly they will come out from behind you before you can change lanes.
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Towing mirror: can see following cars directly behind the trailor?

Rye, with a narrower/shorter trailer such as your Bambi the blind spot is significantly smaller (convergence angle) and you probably wouldn't need it. Strap an extra ~8ft and the additional width of the wide bodies and you'll probably feel differently. My previous trailer was similarly sized to your 19 Bambi so I have a good sense of the difference.

Frank, predicting someone else's movements based on my actions doesn't sound very reliable to me.

All, if some of you want to use Yoda mind tricks or your Aunt Sally's soup recipe to see in your rear blind spot...all the power to you. For me, a rear camera works very well and gives me additional information. IMO, more road awareness is safer and other than the insignificant cost there is no downside to having the extra visibility.
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I cannot tell you the number of times I have come up behind a combined RV rig on the Interstate, pulled out seven lengths back to pass, and found the driver surprised as I come up. I drive an average of 10-12k miles monthly.
How do you know they are surprised?
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Old 10-22-2014, 08:05 AM   #38
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The size of mirror glass is central. Tall for the rear view and BIG convex for what is next to you. I drive 12k miles monthly in almost every conceivable condition. MyTV/TT is longer than that tractor-trailer but the mirror size discrepancy seems to be more about cosmetics than function. I changed my factory towing mirrors to a larger head replacement and will be adding BIG convex.

The "best" mirrors I have seen that should be on our vehicles are those on UHaul box vans or like the VELVAC 714579. Use these as reference. Tall and flat for distance and a quite large convex (6-8") for traffic next to you as guideline




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This is my 1st trailer, and I have no experience in towing before.

Recently I bought a towing mirror: Amazon.com: Fit System 3891 Deluxe Universal Clip-on Trailer Towing Mirror: Automotive, I was expecting to use it to see the cars behind my 16' bambi.

However, I'm not sure if it's my bambi too "fat" then my TV(durango), or technically this kind if mirror doesn't feature the ability to cover the directly behind area. I basically can't see nothing of my own line behind my trailer.

Any suggestion on the towing mirrors to let me see what's going on behind me?
Invest in a rear camera system (camera on back of trailer; view screen on windshield) and dispence with the extension mirrors.
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A camera is no substitute for proper mirrors. Cite a study which shows the eye makes no differentiation between the very different views. There are differences and those matter. The eye/brain is going to process those differently.

A camera, rearward and forward, is good for proving fault for an accident if it can record. It may be a help in backing. But it is no substitute for proper mirrors.

Except when backing what is directly behind one has only relative importance. Using mirrors properly is more important. Set an audible timer to go off every 15-secs and see how many hours you can tolerate it. Or, every time you stop for any reason, clean those mirrors and glass. No such thing as "clean" after about a hundred miles. (Side glass& mirrors trump windshield handily for importance).


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A camera is no substitute for proper mirrors. Cite a study which shows the eye makes no differentiation between the very different views. There are differences and those matter. The eye/brain is going to process those differently.

A camera, rearward and forward, is good for proving fault for an accident if it can record. It may be a help in backing. But it is no substitute for proper mirrors.

Except when backing what is directly behind one has only relative importance. Using mirrors properly is more important. Set an audible timer to go off every 15-secs and see how many hours you can tolerate it. Or, every time you stop for any reason, clean those mirrors and glass. No such thing as "clean" after about a hundred miles. (Side glass& mirrors trump windshield handily for importance).


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You are about 5 years behind the times. The auto makers are already lobbying to allow cameras to eliminate mirrors because they work better. Case in point, all upper end Honda Accords have a right side camera which displays on dash when right turn signal engaged or a button on the end of the turn signal stalk is pressed. It shows you twice as much as any side view mirror and even has markers so you know when you are too close to those newfanggled bike lanes. They use some sort of Flir I am guessing because they work fantastic in low light/no light. Never mind that almost everyone uses backup cameras now as standard on cars. After driving with these for a year and not needing to turn your head half as far, I can attest to the fact they are FAR superior to mirrors. I have no idea what "eye/brain" stuff you are talking about. A mirror is about as anti eye/brain as you can get. Try to do anything using a mirror in regular life...not that a rear facing camera is any better at that, but certainly no worse.
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