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Old 09-10-2018, 10:44 PM   #29
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For a rivet to 'pop' out, there are stresses on the shank.. or just being pulled out. With practice you can get a good idea which is occurring.

In the AS world, the inner sheeting/skin adds rigidity and some strength... but, when bounced, the metal moves between the ribs and the sheeting. Think about a soda can ... grab each end and twist in opposite directions.. you will see the sides buckling.. that is your AS under tow.

When the AS was built, these holes are all drilled then riveted. Once the AS is put 'in service', all of the trailer 'seats in'.. the 'tight spots' where the metal stresses, will affect rivets.

Movement can be good.. as the whole sheet of aluminum can move rather than kinking in a stress line. Now, replacing rivets with the 'standard' is ok to see if it was just a bad rivet (manufac. defect) or bad rivet job.. etc.. If the 'new' one fails.. a stronger one can be installed.. but remember.. the rivet breaking is better than other issues it might cause... it is considered 'sacrificial'.. replace and keep 'streaming'...

Using the trip-grip (there is another name but I can't recall at the moment) has a much stronger 'hold'... but, if the rivet hole is not positioned well, as you install the trip-tip, the wings can hit something in the wall, like the side of a rib, and cause it to 'tip' over, causing it to not be a neat/clean install... and might damage the observed metal around it..

Also, whenever you use the rivet tool, mask around the site with a piece of cardboard with right size hole for rivet, taped over the hole.. when the rivet mandrel 'pops/separates', the rivet tool will 'hop'.. unless you have a really expensive pneumatic rivet tool.. lookie here.. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus...ic_1rivet.html ..

They also have a wide range of rivets.. if it goes on an airplane, it is usually good stuff... but it costs a little more... look up the standard 'cherry' rivet... there are some which are overkill.. the price is a giveaway.. look for a 'protruding' head in the size you like..
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Old 09-10-2018, 11:14 PM   #30
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Lots of good replies. I will just ad that popped interior rivets are a natural aspect of owning an Airstream. 15+ years and 7 Airstreams and the only one I did not pop rivets on was the one with fuzzy walls and a padded ceiling. I'm sure it popped rivets, but I just couldn't see them.

The key is to replace them as soon as possible so that the next rivet in not overstressed. If you pop an aluminum one multiple times, you may want to replace that one with a stainless steel rivet. The factory service center did that for one of ours while still under warranty.

Other things that can reduce popping have been discussed above, lower tire pressures if possible, less stuff tow vehicle/wd hitch, avoid rough and especially proposing roads, drive slower, etc. But even doing all that you'll still occasionally pop interior rivets, just less often.

P.S. It is my opinion that longer and heavier Airstreams pop rivets more often than shorter and lighter Airstreams because they flex more, thus putting more strain on rivets.

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Old 09-11-2018, 07:08 AM   #31
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My 2 cents. I had some rivets pop and I replaced them with rivets I purchased locally. They popped shortly afterwards. I did some research and purchased some assorted rivets from the Airstream store and the rivets stayed. The increased shear strength of the Airstream rivets made the difference.
To remove the old popped rivet I use a punch the same size of the rivet and carefully push or tap the old rivet out. Drilling is my last resort.
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Old 09-11-2018, 08:13 AM   #32
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I haven't had any of the tri-grip head pop off if they do they should be removed as any other they are design to distribute more area on the back side and the oval head are stronger in my opinion
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Old 09-11-2018, 03:07 PM   #33
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Reading all this has made me aware of many things.

I ordered a Marson gun from Airstream Life today along with appropriate aluminum rivets. They indicate they will 'teach' me via video how to properly rivet an Airstream interior to meet the Alcoa/AS engineering model.

I'll let everyone know how it goes. Yes, I have painter's tape to protect the panel while riveting else my wife will not be happy if I slip. You know the saying...when the wife isn't happy...

I plan to lower the GYEs to 65 psi per other's recommendation. All this before we leave on a fall trip.

Lastly, we all own Airstreams and we learn to work on them. Why? Because we love the challenge and the fact that what we own is worthy of our attention. We bought an RV that is well-built and fixable when we need to do so.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:45 AM   #34
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Got the Marson tool yesterday. Drilled out the old mandrels and used the Alcoa aluminum 1/8" rivets.

Very easy and you cannot find any difference between the OEM and my replacements. I challenged my wife to locate the replaced ones.

Thanks to all of you for the input and help here. Thats what makes this forum so valuable. (And why I became a Supporting Member).
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:34 AM   #35
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Still Under Warranty?

With only 7,000 miles is your AS new and still under warranty? If so, that would be covered. I had about 5 rivits pop in the first 2 years from normal twisting and movement on some of my treks. As Fairfield CA replaced immediately. If out of warranty I've found Home Depot had stainless rivets that would work.

I'll just throw this out. Investigate how much dealer would charge. I only say this as they are use to doing it and their work, in most states, will be warrantied for a year.
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:29 AM   #36
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With only 7,000 miles is your AS new and still under warranty? If so, that would be covered. I had about 5 rivits pop in the first 2 years from normal twisting and movement on some of my treks. As Fairfield CA replaced immediately. If out of warranty I've found Home Depot had stainless rivets that would work.

I'll just throw this out. Investigate how much dealer would charge. I only say this as they are use to doing it and their work, in most states, will be warrantied for a year.
Well, as I noted in an earlier post, I would rather save big repairs (if any) for the dealer. I can do what I can myself. Besides, the dealer wants me to wait 2 months and then drop the AS off. Not my idea of customer service.

I like the Marson rivet gun and the Alcoa aluminum rivets. It was an easy job. The gun has a swivel head making the application a breeze.

Actually we have closer to 9K miles now and the trip to the Ozarks in a couple of weeks will probably tie the 10K ribbon on.
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:39 AM   #37
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3. I do use the dealer supplied Equii-L-izer WD set up. It is overkill and seems stiff. I contacted technical at Equil-L-izer and they assured me a properly set up WD will never damage a frame. They have been supplying WD to Airstreamers for many years now. So I will keep it. The AS has a full box channel frame so I don't see how I can induce much flex into it with my TV.
The above statement is correct but the BIG question is: Is the WDH the right bar sizes for your trailer and is it in fact correctly set up?

An Airstream dealer tried to sell me a set of bars that were over kill for my trailer - lots of good info out there from very experienced hitch specialists as to how to heavy of bars can create such issues as you are having on an AS. Even when they installed the bar sizes I was more happy with they did NOT set it up correctly. 8 Miles down the road from dealer I had to pull into a highway rest stop and make adjustments just to get it home safely. Further adjustment and testing required once home to get the set up to tow in the far more stable fashion I was expecting based on previous towing experience with previous trailers.

Bottom line is I would not assume that just because an AS dealer installed the WDH that it is in fact the correct bar weight for your trailer or that it was/is set up as well as it could be.
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:45 AM   #38
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Pop rivets

I had a 1972 25 airstream in the late 80s and now a 1999 Bambi for the last 18 years and never popped a rivet. I have 3 friends with 25 Airstreams 2014 and up and all have rivets that popped out (10+ rivets) they are easy to replace, a rivet gun and a pack of rivets should always be in your toolbox. I love the rivets from Northern Tools you get double the amount for less then Homedept or Lowes, plus they are high strength rivets that will likely not pop out again. There is no need to drill a new hole unless a piece of the old rivet is still lodged in the hole.
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The above statement is correct but the BIG question is: Is the WDH the right bar sizes for your trailer and is it in fact correctly set up?

An Airstream dealer tried to sell me a set of bars that were over kill for my trailer - lots of good info out there from very experienced hitch specialists as to how to heavy of bars can create such issues as you are having on an AS. Even when they installed the bar sizes I was more happy with they did NOT set it up correctly. 8 Miles down the road from dealer I had to pull into a highway rest stop and make adjustments just to get it home safely. Further adjustment and testing required once home to get the set up to tow in the far more stable fashion I was expecting based on previous towing experience with previous trailers.

Bottom line is I would not assume that just because an AS dealer installed the WDH that it is in fact the correct bar weight for your trailer or that it was/is set up as well as it could be.
Northern girl, I assume nothing. I think when you have a huge median to jump, any WDH can cause torque that will pop rivets.

My WDH is set correctly since the side view shows a level TT/TV hook up. I have discussed my WDH with the manufacturer and they agree it is usable with my rig.

I appreciate the fact that AS units can and sometimes do pop rivets when the conditions are right. I also appreciate the AS Forum for the info on what to buy and how to fix the problem. My 22FB is back to normal.

I'm going to leave the WDH discussion to other threads. I'm happy and ready for the next outing. Stay safe and Stream On (R).
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Old 09-16-2018, 03:18 PM   #41
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Liked all responses. I note:
Take care drilling pop rivet head out. Drill bits can scar.
Painter tape and duct tape on end of rivet tool are workable ideas.
Remember correct length pop rivets are used for varying material thickness. With longer pop rivets, I find relaxing pressure and again pushing tool head down on rivet to seat to bottom helps and then squeeze again. When handle grip is wider it seems easier helps to control that final pull to point rivet pops when compared to grip close together.
Also, slide under and check pan rivets.
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:43 PM   #42
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I used to have 3-5 rivets pop on every 500 mile trip on a 23' International. It turned out that the Marathon tires installed by AS Factory were never balanced. When I switched to better tires and had them balanced, my popped rivet problem nearly disappeared.

One warning. When drilling out an old rivet, do not drill deeper than 1/4" or so or you could hit one of the many wiring harnesses that criss cross your Airstream. I put tape near the end of my 1/8" bits as a guide as to how far I am drilling into the skin of my Airstream. You might try a punch and only drill as a last resort.
By comparison, my new 27 FB has balanced Michelin LT tires and has only lost a total of 6 rivets in 11,000 miles of towing. I agree that everyone who owns an AS will need to replace rivets at some point. Once you do a couple you will become a pro at it. Ask around the next time you are parked near another Airstream owner and you will get all the advice you need.
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