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Old 03-15-2014, 10:53 PM   #29
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After considering all of these things and reading more forums, I'm now thinking I shouldn't have dismissed the 19 flying cloud. As soon as I entered and saw the bed back in the corner I turned and walked out, so I'm going to head to the dealer to have another look. I thought it would be nice to wake to the surrounding view, but considering the space won't be utilized for the view like it would with a dinette there...I'm thinking I could live with the smaller bed, more storage, etc. as compared to the 22. We will have to spend more time at the dealership now...
We took a careful look at the 19 before buying our 22. The big problem with the 19? The bathroom next to your head as you're sleeping. I don't know ... just seemed a little too close. I mean, there are some things you don't really need to know about each other, even after 30+ blissful years, you know?
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Old 03-22-2014, 02:32 AM   #30
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It's Decision Time!

After more trips to the dealer, and countless hours spent studying floorplans, storage containers or cabinets, daydreaming about how we'd really use it, etc. I ruled out the 22' almost as soon as I thought about storage - NOT that we take tons of stuff with us, just that with the bit of stuff you need - hoses, cords, tools, etc. that will eat up a bit of storage space and I really came to the conclusion the sports are like buying a "base" model car (no options). I don't want to buy one, to buy another one in a year.

I narrowed it down to the 19' or a 20'. When I first started looking, I liked that the bed was in the front. The more I thought about it though, it could be a wasted view - which is why I started considering the 19'. I decided I could live with the bed in the back corner, in exchange for the table in front of the windows in the front. But after really assessing the 19' and REALLY not liking no counter space, storage seems to be less, the bathroom door angled right in front of the toilet, and no need for an additional awning (which I think aesthetically is a must) we've decided to order a 20'.

I "shopped around" as much as I could - looking online, calling Colonial and getting their price for the 19' Int. and a 20' FC. After meeting with my dealer, with those prices, I'm coming out at $160 more than Colonial but added the awning package to my order - so I'm thinking, not too bad. They already had one on order with a build date of 4/24 so I will be able to make the changes that I want and keep the same date. Yay! I can't wait!
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Old 03-22-2014, 05:46 AM   #31
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Chevl66,

Congrats! Seems you went with the same process of selection as I did.

I am sure you will enjoy it tremendously.

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After more trips to the dealer, and countless hours spent studying floorplans, storage containers or cabinets, daydreaming about how we'd really use it, etc. I ruled out the 22' almost as soon as I thought about storage - NOT that we take tons of stuff with us, just that with the bit of stuff you need - hoses, cords, tools, etc. that will eat up a bit of storage space and I really came to the conclusion the sports are like buying a "base" model car (no options). I don't want to buy one, to buy another one in a year.



I narrowed it down to the 19' or a 20'. When I first started looking, I liked that the bed was in the front. The more I thought about it though, it could be a wasted view - which is why I started considering the 19'. I decided I could live with the bed in the back corner, in exchange for the table in front of the windows in the front. But after really assessing the 19' and REALLY not liking no counter space, storage seems to be less, the bathroom door angled right in front of the toilet, and no need for an additional awning (which I think aesthetically is a must) we've decided to order a 20'.



I "shopped around" as much as I could - looking online, calling Colonial and getting their price for the 19' Int. and a 20' FC. After meeting with my dealer, with those prices, I'm coming out at $160 more than Colonial but added the awning package to my order - so I'm thinking, not too bad. They already had one on order with a build date of 4/24 so I will be able to make the changes that I want and keep the same date. Yay! I can't wait!
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:57 AM   #32
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The 16 at least has quite a bit more storage than I thought. I am pleasently surprised. The 20 is a fantastic set up, I wish we could have afforded one, but it would require a different tow vehicle for us which just pushed things too far. I think you will be happy with your choice though. The 16 works well for us as we are coming in from tent camping for the last 15 years.

I will make maybe an unpopular observation here, just think about it. You complain about "wasting a view" with the wrap around up front with the bed, which is partially correct. We have a dinette there so we are not "wasting" the view of the butt end of our tow vehicle or everyone staring in from the street. The "view" to the front of the campsite is a much over-rated thing! I wish our 16' was built backwards with the view to the rear. It would fix the "suicide door" as well. Then you could back it in and look in the woods, or across the valley, or over the lake.....All those pictures of marvelous vistas in the brochures are pretty much impossible to obtain unless you are a stunt person or also tow a front-end loader with a ball on a stinger...
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Old 03-22-2014, 07:51 PM   #33
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That, my friend, is *exactly* why we chose our 27FB.
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:35 PM   #34
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And that, my friend is not a universal opinion. We specifically wanted only an Airstream with the living space in the front.

There is no one looking into the front because you cannot see in through the window rock guards. We don't always camp backed up to marvelous views. Sometimes it's brush.

Sometimes it's another camper. We use RV resorts often for extended stays; we wouldn't want our living space in the rear there. In remote camping, it is truck in front, bicycles on the back bumper. Unless we unhook both, which we usually do.

The front living space doesn't always have the best view, but it never has a bad one.

The so-called suicide door is a nothing issue, use a rubber door stop under the grab handle for safety, if you need to. And the door is up front where it is usually more convenient.

I do like the pano windows front and rear, speaking of views.
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:38 PM   #35
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The 20' focus is the kitchen and storage IMO, the 22' emphasis is the bathroom- to me but I submit final opinion to the owners of the models.

LOL, the windows again. So far I have mostly been in camping spots where the view was woods in the rear and noise in the front. I don't find the windows to be that important. I like the door the best! If I were buying a brand new Airstream, I would go for the 28' with a single pano in the front.
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Old 03-22-2014, 09:37 PM   #36
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Oh yeah, windows, kitchens. We all like what we have until we get something else, then we like that.

Most of us do agree we like our Airstreams, so that's a safe statement. Oops, corrosion, floor rot, quality control . . . hitches, trucks . . .
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Old 03-22-2014, 10:06 PM   #37
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:37 PM   #38
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It's Official! We ordered today.

2014 20 FC, build date is 4/17-4/22 or something close to that. I chose the Mica interior, as I already have plans to customize the colors into something else. Awning package, convection microwave, 1000w converter. Dealer included a hitch and brake control. Our dealer also has a new "package" that includes full inspection, filled tanks, install of hitch/brake controller, exterior polish, orientation, and overnight stay w/ full hookups if you desire. The starter kit they provide has a fresh water hose, waste water hose, toilet paper, black tank chemicals, 30 - 15 amp adapter, disposable gloves, and a small bucket.

BTW, they were recently informed of a 4% cost increase for 2015 models (that's dealer cost I believe).

They are a Zamp Solar authorized dealer...I'm thinking of some portable panels, but not sure what size to get - how do you figure out what it would take to replenish 50% of your batteries? Or what is reasonable to expect from solar?

Thanks for all the suggestions & opinions, it really did help to make our decision more thoughtful of a process!
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Chevl66,

Congratulations. I am sure you will thoroughly enjoy it.

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Congrats chevl66, you will make it yours and like it for sure! I do not have solar; however, I have been informed that you want a panel that is regulated at 13.8volts. A solar panel of 50 watts regulated at 13.8volts (higher than 12V to charge) is 3.62 amps. If your battery has an amp hour rating of 93 A/H then to be fully charged with the 50 watt panel, it would take around 28 hours of full sun to fully charge the battery from approximate zero charge state. I hope this adds some perspective to the solar. The time factor drops as higher wattage panels (more amps) are used. What I found in digging is that typical batteries are safe up to 20amps (275watts@13.8V) at a regulated 13.8V. The same scenario would be 12.8 hours with 100 watts of solar and a zero state. The assumption here is that 50% charge would be half of these times to the same single battery.
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Congrats chevl66, you will make it yours and like it for sure! I do not have solar; however, I have been informed that you want a panel that is regulated at 13.8volts. A solar panel of 50 watts regulated at 13.8volts (higher than 12V to charge) is 3.62 amps. If your battery has an amp hour rating of 93 A/H then to be fully charged with the 50 watt panel, it would take around 28 hours of full sun to fully charge the battery from approximate zero charge state. I hope this adds some perspective to the solar. The time factor drops as higher wattage panels (more amps) are used. What I found in digging is that typical batteries are safe up to 20amps (275watts@13.8V) at a regulated 13.8V. The same scenario would be 12.8 hours with 100 watts of solar and a zero state. The assumption here is that 50% charge would be half of these times to the same single battery.
Thanks so much! I couldn't even articulate what I wanted to know - but you explained it exactly! So, if no solar, may I ask what kind/size of generator is useful - understanding this depends on how you use things. I think we will most likely camp with full hookups until we get things figured out, but I'm really wanting to dry camp eventually the majority of the time.
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Thanks jpons! We can't wait!
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