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06-03-2019, 06:43 AM
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2 Rivet Member
Kathleen
, Georgia
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 23
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New Bambis
Airstream show 4 new floorplans
Two unique decor
More
Airstream.com
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06-03-2019, 07:54 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2019 25' Flying Cloud
2018 23' Flying Cloud
Ocala
, FL
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 58
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Took some pics of the new Caravel this weekend. The Caravel in these pics is basically an upgraded trim to the 22 Sport. Ducted AC for example.
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06-03-2019, 11:14 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2018 22' Sport
Blue Sky Ranch
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 341
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Just went to the AS site to review. Lots of new features but still no walk around bed so the wife isn't interested. As usual, AS makes sure to render our Bambis less desirable with the new Caravel. Just enough new stuff like the ducted A/C, Balderi vent hood, 3-burner stove, backlit overhead cabinets to make most shoppers no longer interested in the Sport now (unless you discount it $10k).
Beware buyers of 2019 22FB Sports -- you will be getting the dealer's old stock so demand a lot of free extras. The Caravel is coming to a dealer near you.
(oh and the Caravel is $17000 more than the 2018 22 Bambi)
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M!ke
2019 Tiffin Wayfarer 24TW
Ham Radio Call sign K5FT
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06-03-2019, 11:59 AM
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Rivet Master
1962 28' Ambassador
1961 19' Globetrotter
1962 26' Overlander
Mesa
, Arizona
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 5,996
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Xplore thx for the photos. Looks nice, reminds of the Oliver interiors.
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06-03-2019, 12:24 PM
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1 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Flower Mound
, Texas
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Msherw
Just enough new stuff like the ducted A/C, Balderi vent hood, 3-burner stove, backlit overhead cabinets to make most shoppers no longer interested in the Sport now (unless you discount it $10k).
Beware buyers of 2019 22FB Sports -- you will be getting the dealer's old stock so demand a lot of free extras. The Caravel is coming to a dealer near you.
(oh and the Caravel is $17000 more than the 2018 22 Bambi)
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I was really hoping the new 19' Bambi would weigh a bit less than the 2019 22' Sport for those of us with a 500/5000 tow capacity. I noticed they are all the same width now while the 22' Sport was narrower. Both the 16' Bambi and Caravel hitch weights have jumped. Not sure what would cause that on the Bambi. Caravel is 490, so pretty much would have to haul completely empty.
Honestly, taking a look back at 2019 inventory now. How does your 22' Sport tow with your Toyota?
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06-03-2019, 12:54 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,107
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is the sink a single or a double like in the 2017 as 22fb
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06-03-2019, 01:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,107
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from their sitei see this as the delta between the two lines for the 22FB model
- both show 2x group 24 batteries, up from 1x from the Sport model
BAMBI
200lb more carry capacity
dual std sink in kitchen
CARAVEL
single wide sink in kitchen
3" longer
4" taller ext
3.5" taller inside
25 lb heavier hitch weight
200 lb heaver base weight
patio light
bumper
exhaust fan
2 extra speakers + 1 sub woofer
ducted AC
SS front stone guard
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06-04-2019, 12:58 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Kathleen
, Georgia
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 23
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Caravel 19 is less MSRP than 19 FC?
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06-04-2019, 01:11 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,107
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Bambi 19 < Caravel 19 < FC 19
Bambi 22 < Caravel 22 < FC 23
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06-04-2019, 02:22 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 20' Flying Cloud
Westerly
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 654
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The FC19 and FC20 are both gone. I'd be interested to know what they did to bring down the weights on the 20 Caravel compared to the FC. Also like to know how those two way electric-only refrigerators work and how much power they use.
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06-04-2019, 02:49 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2018 22' Sport
Blue Sky Ranch
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 341
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My 2 cents:
The Caravel was resurrected (circa 1960s) to provide a price point between the Sports and the Flying Clouds. AS wanted to find a way to lure the Sport owners who wanted a little more 'stuff' to the middle tier.
AS must now believe the entry level Sports will still available for newbie (millennial) buyers, but the Caravel will lure most Sport owners to the next level. Caravels are nice but don't have enough to lure me from a $54K rig to a $70K rig. The FCs are very nice but that price point of $88-90K is way too much for me (and maybe many others).
I'll keep my 22FB Sport (and my IRA) and upgrade any missing 'stuff' as needed. I just can't see spending $17k more for a Caravel. Nice try Airstream. Wish you all well in Jackson Center. Stream On.
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M!ke
2019 Tiffin Wayfarer 24TW
Ham Radio Call sign K5FT
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06-04-2019, 03:37 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Kathleen
, Georgia
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 23
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Per airstream web
2020 Caravel 19 is $63000
Per Southland web
2019 Flying Cloud 19 is $71250
Arent they the same? Except for color of interior
Isnt the Caravel more like the signature
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06-04-2019, 03:57 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,107
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hi @mesherw
me too, i will keep our 2017 As22fb.
i did many of the updates myself
the only one i cant do is the ducted AC
the only model we would get, if/when we retire the As22FB sport is the FC 23 FB
like the sport, the Fc23FB is the only ones with a dual sink
the 2 items we like are, bed access is much better and ducted AC
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06-04-2019, 05:58 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2018 22' Sport
Blue Sky Ranch
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 341
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Planzman
Per airstream web
2020 Caravel 19 is $63000
Per Southland web
2019 Flying Cloud 19 is $71250
Arent they the same? Except for color of interior
Isnt the Caravel more like the signature
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I was comparing apples to apples. 22 Caravelle v the 22 Sport. The prices are likely to be $15K apart.
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M!ke
2019 Tiffin Wayfarer 24TW
Ham Radio Call sign K5FT
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06-04-2019, 06:00 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2018 22' Sport
Blue Sky Ranch
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 341
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waninae39
hi @mesherw
me too, i will keep our 2017 As22fb.
i did many of the updates myself
the only one i cant do is the ducted AC
the only model we would get, if/when we retire the As22FB sport is the FC 23 FB
like the sport, the Fc23FB is the only ones with a dual sink
the 2 items we like are, bed access is much better and ducted AC
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Yep. Like mine. You should keep yours as you have a lot of upgrades. I'm not that proficient.
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M!ke
2019 Tiffin Wayfarer 24TW
Ham Radio Call sign K5FT
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06-04-2019, 06:16 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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Have 2019 22 and would buy caravel if doing today. Ducted air and 3.5 inches inside as my hair brushes the AC unit now is worth 15 to 17 k. But next upgrade is 25 or 27 and Ram
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06-04-2019, 07:32 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 22' Sport
High River
, Alberta
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,193
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waninae39
from their sitei see this as the delta between the two lines for the 22FB model
- both show 2x group 24 batteries, up from 1x from the Sport model
BAMBI
200lb more carry capacity
dual std sink in kitchen
CARAVEL
single wide sink in kitchen
3" longer
4" taller ext
3.5" taller inside
25 lb heavier hitch weight
200 lb heaver base weight
patio light
bumper
exhaust fan
2 extra speakers + 1 sub woofer
ducted AC
SS front stone guard
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A good summary. A few other items:
all Airstream windows (not Hehr like most windows on Sport models)
22FB is 8' wide, compared to 7'3.25" of 22FB Sport
aluminum step
Sunbrella awning fabric instead of vinyl?
Some of the differences are very attractive, although not nearly enough to justify a trade.
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06-04-2019, 08:28 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2018 19' Flying Cloud
Newport
, Washington
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 350
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Now that the FC 19 is gone what effect might that have on the resale value of a late model FC 19?
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Dale & Jane
2018 Flying Cloud 19
2003 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab Diesel
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06-05-2019, 08:13 AM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,107
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AlbertF, nice catch
I was wondering as both the Bambi and caravel line now show all models 20'+ as 8' wide.
Our 2017 As 22Fb is only 7'3" , thus the additional 9" would be nice, but more work for the TV to pull as it stick out almost 5" more on each side, thus longer mirrors are needed
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06-05-2019, 08:48 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,801
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I don't keep meticulous records that far back but it sticks in my head that the 2005 22 FB CCD LISTED at about $33K
Infamous for frames breaking and OSB floor and rear rot due to no sealant at the bumper... So some quality issues have been worked on, not all of the improvements are cosmetic.
But that's still a lot of inflation. What did a 2005 F-250 gasser retail for then... and now?
To really put it into perspective, In 1966 my goal was to earn $1000 a month, and be in deep clover.
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