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Old 04-27-2015, 09:45 AM   #15
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I had to LOL about not being interested in opinions of your tow vehicles-
I will keep the comments positive and constructive-
Both are good tow vehicles-
I am sure the Wrangler is body-on-frame construction. Is the Cherokee unibody construction? This could be the reason for the difference in the way the bumps (and noise) transfer into passenger cabin.
It may be an illusion, but the Wrangler looks wider/taller/longer- all good for towing. The Wrangler is front engine. rear wheel drive. Is the Cherokee?
The Cherokee appears to have a lower center of gravity- good for towing.
What you may have is 2 perfectly good tow vehicles.
Congratulations on your new Airstream! Glad you started enjoying it right away!
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Old 04-27-2015, 09:41 PM   #16
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We just picked up a 22' sport. We also have the diesel Grand. The Grand tows our trailer effortlessly. Out trailer came with an anderson hitch, but am getting a different style WDH because of the coupler issue.

for what it is worth, i think a new hitch is more cost effective than a new coupler.

Your Wrangler has a very similar wheelbase and track as the Grand.
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Old 04-27-2015, 11:26 PM   #17
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So which model 16' is the full size? I've only seen the sport and I think an International so far.
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Old 04-27-2015, 11:49 PM   #18
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So which model 16' is the full size? I've only seen the sport and I think an International so far.
LucasS,

My mistake. My 2006 is just a hair longer than the new 16', just inches. I think it's the bumper, that was standard on mine. The weights are almost identical. Some sport models are not as wide (the 16' is 8'). I did upgrade my axle to 4,200 pounds rather than 3,500. I upgraded the wheels to 15" and I wanted a little extra weight capacity in the trailer.

So, "full size" was the wrong reference. Sorry.

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Old 04-28-2015, 10:06 AM   #19
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for what it is worth, i think a new hitch is more cost effective than a new coupler.
But have you noticed how easy the Andersen is to operate?... and how much lighter it is?

Anyway, I still need to confirm if my coupler is one of the "problem" models.
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:17 PM   #20
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We took the Airstream out with the Cherokee again on Sunday for a more extensive experience. We drove a little over 100 miles on highways and B-roads to determine average gas mileage and overall comfort of driving with the Cherokee (rather than the Wrangler).

To recap, our Cherokee is a 2015 Trailhawk w/ 3.2l Pentastar, max tow package, 9 speed transmission, and comes standard with a transmission cooler.

We hit some light rain and wind gusts up to 35mph with no adverse effects (like sway) whatsoever.

About half the trip was on highways traveling 65mph, with an average efficiency of 15mpg. The other half was on B-roads traveling 45-50mph with an average efficiency of 17mpg. Overall efficiency for the trip was about 16mpg.

The transmission shifts were perfectly smooth, and the engine never ventured above 3500 RPMs.

I kept a close eye on transmission temperatures as well, they never rose more the 10 degrees higher than what they approach with normal driving.

Overall, I think we will use the Cherokee for our longer trips, but continue using the Wrangler when we are going to local places, especially lakes where we want to car-top our canoe. The Cherokee gets modestly better mileage and is more comfortable overall, especially when it comes to the transmission shifting much more smoothly and RPMs staying low on hills.

We stopped in Tombstone along the way for an obligatory picture:
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Old 04-28-2015, 05:54 PM   #21
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Sounds like a good tow vehicle to me.
Which has more passenger room and cargo room? Or is the interior volume equal? It may be an illusion, but the Wrangler looks bigger.


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Which has more passenger room and cargo room? Or is the interior volume equal? It may be an illusion, but the Wrangler looks bigger.
The Wrangler is a bit bigger and has more cargo room. However, I can't open the rear doors on the Wrangler while hitched up. The Cherokee isn't a problem. Also, the wrangler is narrower where the side rear-view mirrors attach. I can see around the sides of the AS better with the Cherokee mirrors.
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Old 04-28-2015, 08:58 PM   #23
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But have you noticed how easy the Andersen is to operate?... and how much lighter it is?

Anyway, I still need to confirm if my coupler is one of the "problem" models.

If your coupler is original to your airstream my guess is your coupler is incompatible with the Anderson sway & weight distribution hitch. My understanding is with some wear the coupler can become disconnected from your vehicle. That's why I returned the Anderson. I believe Anderson makes good products but after opening the box and finding their warning in bold print. I decided their engineers must know something and I should pay attention to that warning. It was not a risk I was willing to take with my family. Good luck in your decision and please think safety.


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Old 04-29-2015, 06:11 PM   #24
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It may be tit for tat on which vehicle is better. They may be equal.


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Yep, probably not much of an overall difference, all things considered. The differences are very minor, and there are pros and cons on each side.

We're taking our AS back out to the lake again this weekend.

I put my cheap LEDs in all of the interior lighting fixtures today over lunch. They all worked fine upon installation. I'll report more on them, with the links to the ones I bought, once they get more of a thorough test this weekend.
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Had another great weekend trip at the lake with the new Airstream. I towed it with my Wrangler again this time. It's about an hour long drive on 'B' roads all the way, with an average speed of approximately 35mph. I averaged 14mpg on this trip.

There are a lot of cattle guards along the way in the road. My Wrangler takes them so much more smoothly than the Cherokee while towing. The experience is opposite when not towing.

Had a chance to use all of my new LED lighting quite a bit. They performed flawlessly and provided very good light. I bought 20 "bulbs" total from Amazon for $34 shipped.

I put these in all of the main fixtures: LINK

And these in all fixtures over the beds and closet for dimmer reading light: LINK

Here are some pics, Santa Rita Mountains in the first picture, Mustang & Whetstone Mountains in the background on the second.
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I put my cheap LEDs in all of the interior lighting fixtures today over lunch. They all worked fine upon installation. I'll report more on them, with the links to the ones I bought, once they get more of a thorough test this weekend.
So...any word on how you liked the LEDs? Thanks!
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My impression is that water weight has negligible impact on fuel economy. You're adding 200lbs to a 6500 lbs+ combined setup. Altitude difference and Hills between start and end, speed, and headwind will make up the biggest "variables".

Recently towed uphill, ~150miles into a 35MPH steady headwind plus rain at about 65-70MPH. Fuel economy went down 4MPG.
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