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Old 02-18-2018, 05:03 PM   #1
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How many traded the Sport 16 for the Sport 22?

I absolutely love the layout of the Sport 22... But the 16 would fit in my driveway better, be easier to store, tow, wouldn't require as big a TV (something I have been shopping for).

I had originally wanted the Airstream Interstate but decided a TV/TT combo would be better for me - if I was fine with the wet bath on that, I should probably be fine on the wet bath on the 16.

They both seem to sleep the same number of people. My situation would be mostly me and my son so the two beds is nice.

I'd be going on weekend trips and to camp grounds. Not full-timing so things like storage aren't too critical.

For the TV, I've narrowed down to the Ram 1500 with V8 engine or the GMC Canyon with V6 engine (and tow package so gets me up to 7,000 tow capacity).

Love the Ram 1500 but it is a BIG truck, and I think I'd be more comfortable driving and parking something smaller.

Just wondering if you started with the 16 and went up to the 22, why? and what are your circumstances that made the bigger rig better?

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Old 02-22-2018, 09:19 PM   #2
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I have not traded up, but likely will get the 22 sport when my lifestyle permits more traveling and less working. I absolutely love the 16 because of the obvious. The size and gas efficiency. Most importantly, if it was any bigger I would not have gone on so many short trips. It would just seem too much of a hassle. I agree bigger is better depending on the use. Long term use, I'd go with the 22 or larger. If you go with a V8 TV, go bigger because you might as well. Just my opinion.
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Old 02-23-2018, 02:16 AM   #3
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We have a 16' International that we have owned for 6 years now. In the past 12 months we've towed it some 20,000 miles and spent about 120 day in it.
Of course there are times when we'd like more space but for the most part, we love our Bambi and we intend on keeping it.
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:51 AM   #4
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A few things:

- Note that the Sport 22' is a foot narrower than the 16.' Aerodynamically, it's actually a bit easier to tow.

- Yep, you do need to watch the longer length when parking or backing into a campsite. But when I went from my 20' Argosy (same width as the 22') to my 23' (same width as the 16'), it made very little difference, technique-wise.

- This will get people mad, but whatever. As an automotive engineer, tester, and consultant, I've driven a lot of tow vehicles. I'd rather tow either of the trailers you're talking about with a Honda Ridgeline than a Colorado/Canyon, despite the tow rating differences. The GM's 3.6-liter and the 6-speed's gearing isn't optimized for towing, so you need to work it pretty hard. It feels sluggish. (Note: the new 8 speed might be better. I hope it is.)

On the other hand, I've towed my 23' (4700 pounds dry, 5500 pounds fully loaded) with a new Ridgeline. I was right at the limit of the RL's rating, but pulled it very, very easily and handled the trailer like a champ. I actually didn't even miss my Durango with its Hemi V8.

Yes, everyone will say "You'll eventually get a bigger trailer, and then you'll need a bigger truck, so buy a bigger truck to begin with." But - it sounds like you'd like a smaller trailer for parking at home anyway, so you're not going to be wedging a 30-footer there anytime soon. And the Ridgeline's resale makes it pretty painless to sell.

In the meantime, you will have the most comfortable, versatile in everyday life, and best driving truck you can buy. (And I don't work for or sell Hondas.)

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Old 02-23-2018, 07:28 AM   #5
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Only owned our 22 Sport since last year. We looked at the wider 19 on the dealer lot and decided the 22FB bathroom suited us much better. So it was an easy choice for us. Our TV is a Toyota v6 4Runner and it has no difficulty pulling the 22.

The 22, being narrower, is a dream to tow. It slips through the wind and the equalizer hitch actually balances the stiff shocks of the TV. I prefer to drive the TV with the 22 attached.

The narrower width of the 22 means I didn’t need to buy rear view mirrors. The stock mirrors are fine. We did buy the rear camera.

That said, we really like and prefer the amenities of the 22 Sport and the light weight is a huge savings on having to switch to a V8 TV.
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Old 02-23-2018, 07:56 AM   #6
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We went from a 16 Sport to a 19 (not 22) International, but not without some regrets.

The 16 is well-designed, and I liked that.

I'd have liked it better if Airstream had installed a smaller microwave. Just warming up or cooking small stuff, not a turkey. It dominated the galley, was eye-level, so appeared to take up more space than it really did, and it kind of got in the way.

This was a 2016. Newer 16s might have a different arrangement.

Wet bath, which some don't like, was no problem for us.

Biggest issue was whoever slept against the far wall had to climb over the other if nature called in the middle of the night.

We like the little bit of extra space in the 19. Only three feet longer, but seems twice as big.

Though I still sometimes wish we had stayed with the 16, we like the 19 a lot.

I can't imagine we'd want to trade up again to a larger one. We are not big on lounging around inside, so space in the 19 fits us well.

You might find the 22-footer to be the same ... plenty big.

When camping, we are usually outside exploring or just hanging around and enjoying camp life.
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Old 02-23-2018, 08:15 AM   #7
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just wanted to thank you all for sharing your thoughts.

My son and I were able to make it down to Colonial Airstream where they fortunately had every possible model we could have been interested in on their lot. I wasn't really looking to be in the price category of the Int'l or the FC but we toured them anyway, just to be complete in our research.

We focused mainly on the Sport 22 and the Sport 16. We hung around in them both for quite a while. I was tired from getting on the road early and driving down from Massachusetts so I laid on the bed for a while in each of them for a bit of rest. I found both beds to be extremely comfortable.

I greatly prefer the bigger bed in the 22 and also the bathroom in the 22. I liked the banquette seating better in the 16 as the windows surrounding it are so nice and we both thought the seats themselves were a little bit more comfortable in the 16. The separate gray and black tanks in the 22 seem like a better idea. The narrower width of the 22 seemed better as well.

In the end, my son talked me into the 16. He preferred it. Felt it was enough for us and he couldn't justify the extra $$ for the 22. The shorter length will be helpful in the driveway and the cost savings is appreciated as well. If I were shopping on my own, I probably would have gone for the 22 but having my son along was really helpful and I appreciated his thoughts on the matter. We put a deposit on one! We are excited. It is a 2018 Sport 16 with solar and back up camera.

Now to find the TV. So far, I have test driven a Ram 1500 (both Sport and Longhorn, new and used). As well as a Used Colorado, New Canyon and New Tundra. I didn't love the way the Tundra drove. Felt very truckish. I liked the way the Ram Longhorn drove best.

There is a 2013 Ram Longhorn crew cab V8 close by to me with low miles. It has some nice upgrades that I thought might be nice, for instance the Ram boxes lining both sides. Thought for storing and organizing things it would be nice vs. having them rattle around in the back. It has the Tow package which gives the better mirrors as well as brake control. Currently the price on it is about $3k more than I want to spend but maybe if it sits for a while they will come down a bit in price. In the meantime, I'm going to continue looking at other models. I am leaning toward the full size truck thinking that the seats in back are a bit bigger and more comfy for the kids. And also, the back seats fold up and the platform that folds out flat would make a great spot for an air mattress if we need to sleep one more person.

I like the idea of the smaller TV for daily life but the larger TV for utility purposes. When I've been in the drop off and pick up line at my kid's school, I've been observing some full size pick up trucks and how they seem to come and go with ease. Of all the daily driving I do, the school drop off / pick up is the most stressful as it is just a sh*t show of cars and pedestrians in a tight space. I guess seeing the other trucks in action in this particular scenario is helpful. If they can do it, I should be able to as well.

The camper isn't in yet so I have a bit of time to figure out the TV. I haven't test driven the 2013 Ram yet. The other used Ram I drove was a 2016 (also low miles) but just way too much $$ for my budget. They say Rams hold their value least of all in terms of pickup trucks but given the prices I am seeing that does not seem to be the case! I'm going to be patient and keep looking. I had hoped to buy a used Airstream to save a little money but that is not what I did so I really am determined to not overspend on the TV.

Thank you again!
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You may consider checking out the gm full-size trucks with the 5.3 gas engine. We use them at work for pilot car trucks and have had that engine in various others like Yukon’s over the years. They have been extremely reliable for us. Most were around 250k miles before we got rid of them and only had to change some minor parts like front wheel bearings at 150k and some brakes.
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:13 AM   #9
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A few things:

- Note that the Sport 22' is a foot narrower than the 16.' Aerodynamically, it's actually a bit easier to tow.

- Yep, you do need to watch the longer length when parking or backing into a campsite. But when I went from my 20' Argosy (same width as the 22') to my 23' (same width as the 16'), it made very little difference, technique-wise.

- This will get people mad, but whatever. As an automotive engineer, tester, and consultant, I've driven a lot of tow vehicles. I'd rather tow either of the trailers you're talking about with a Honda Ridgeline than a Colorado/Canyon, despite the tow rating differences. The GM's 3.6-liter and the 6-speed's gearing isn't optimized for towing, so you need to work it pretty hard. It feels sluggish. (Note: the new 8 speed might be better. I hope it is.)

On the other hand, I've towed my 23' (4700 pounds dry, 5500 pounds fully loaded) with a new Ridgeline. I was right at the limit of the RL's rating, but pulled it very, very easily and handled the trailer like a champ. I actually didn't even miss my Durango with its Hemi V8.

Yes, everyone will say "You'll eventually get a bigger trailer, and then you'll need a bigger truck, so buy a bigger truck to begin with." But - it sounds like you'd like a smaller trailer for parking at home anyway, so you're not going to be wedging a 30-footer there anytime soon. And the Ridgeline's resale makes it pretty painless to sell.

In the meantime, you will have the most comfortable, versatile in everyday life, and best driving truck you can buy. (And I don't work for or sell Hondas.)

Tom
In reply to Tom, (Mutcth) you just made my day. We have a 2018 Ridgeline AWD that I LOVE. It’s my commuter vehicle, and we have a 22fb Sport arriving in April. I am very concerned that long trips (300 mile or more) would be stressful on the vehicle especially if there were a lot of steep climbs and descents. I’d be using a brake controller and equalizer wd hitch. Sounds like I should be ok.
I have 2 questions: do you have a brake controller, and how do you mount it? Looking for a method that doesn’t require drilling and permanent mounting, sort of like Velcro... also, being a single axle trailer, do you have any safety concerns with the Ridgeline’s ability to maintain control in the event of a blowout?
Sorry to wander off topic a bit..
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Old 02-25-2018, 04:05 PM   #10
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we have the 22Fb and would not go to a smaller one

as said, its a foot slimmer

it is EASILY towed by our modest audi q5

note, sway control and weight distribution is a MUST
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[QUOTE...
I have 2 questions: do you have a brake controller, and how do you mount it? Looking for a method that doesn’t require drilling and permanent mounting, sort of like Velcro... also, being a single axle trailer, do you have any safety concerns with the Ridgeline’s ability to maintain control in the event of a blowout?
Sorry to wander off topic a bit..[/QUOTE]

we have a Tekonsha proigy P3 - brake controller- no issue. make sure they set ip up with YOUR trailer to ensure the brakes are set. it takes min max

also get a proper sway control. many brands on the maaket

do get curved tapered bars and not square bars
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Old 02-25-2018, 06:32 PM   #12
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I placed a (refundable) deposit on a used Ram 1500 this weekend. I don't know what it is about that truck. I just love it.

I called my brother on the way back from the dealership to get what I thought would be support. He has owned many pickup trucks of varying sizes, etc. -- He said he got rid of his last one because it was just so big parking at work, in their driveway, etc. -- He said he misses his Honda Ridgeline though! So then I come on here and see all of this support for the Honda Ridgeline (a sign??... this is a vehicle I did not test drive) .... makes me think to be complete in my search, I should check it out.

So glad I decided on the trailer - that was tough enough. Now just the TV.
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Very impressed with the winter handling of my RL. 34 mile commute each way and it handled beautifully in every condition. Extremely comfortable to drive. Not bad to sleep in, either!
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I have 2 questions: do you have a brake controller, and how do you mount it? Looking for a method that doesn’t require drilling and permanent mounting, sort of like Velcro... also, being a single axle trailer, do you have any safety concerns with the Ridgeline’s ability to maintain control in the event of a blowout?
I used a Prodigy P2 that I had laying around the house (for some reason, I own 3 brake controllers.) Bought a $6 pigtail off of Amazon for the original RL that works fine with the new one; just wire that onto the harness for the Prodigy.

Since I had borrowed the truck from my then-work's fleet (I used to test cars for Consumer Reports before becoming a freelance consultant), I just heavy-duty velcroed the controller on the top of the dashboard next to the driver's side A-pillar.

A better solution (and the one I use in my Durango): get a DirecLink brake controller. It plugs into the OBD2 port, so it can immediately sense that the car is braking and can better modulate trailer brake pressure. Because of that design (it doesn't need to be parallel in-line with the vehicle), the controller module can be mounted anywhere. Expensive, but smooth braking and great customer service (my display burnt out, and they promptly fixed it, out of warranty.)

Stability? Well, the RL has a rather long wheelbase, low center-of-gravity, on-road biased tires, independent rear suspension, and a short rear overhang. Those are all beneficial for trailer control. I was impressed with the trailer manners, even though I had just swapped in my Eaz-Lift and single friction sway control without making any adjustments from my Durango set-up. A well-tuned set-up would be a joy. (BTW, a Honda Pilot SUV doesn't handle as well as the Ridgeline - it's not tuned as well.)

For what it's worth, I towed single axle trailers for 20,000 miles using a Honda Odyssey with no control issues (or blowouts, for that matter.) I wanted a little more power pulling over the Rockies, but it was OK. (The new Ridgeline has a lot more grunt, and gets 2 mpg better when towing than my Durango.)

Hope this helps.

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