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Old 11-01-2014, 03:18 AM   #1
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Bambi 16' on driveway issue

Today got a hoa board member knock the door. Saying some neighbor complain I parked my 16' Airstream on my driveway for nearly 1 month.

As I know, the city has no rule to prevent residents park RV on their own driveway. City only doesn't allow RV for street parking more than 72 hours.

My house has 3 car garage driveway, and the driveway's around 35' deep, way big for a cute Bambi. The coming guy even can't give a reason why the Bambi do harmful to the neighborhood. He just kept saying it should go into storage somewhere.

I think it's ridicules, I actually am using the trailer in this season every week. And I plan to drive it out in the winter as well, and frequently. I really can't understand why hoa so want to make people's life harder instead of happier.

I really don't want to move the cute one away. Anyone met this hassle before? Any suggestions to deal with the unpleasant neighbor?

Thanks!
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Old 11-01-2014, 04:51 AM   #2
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Lots of HOA's have rules against an RV in the driveway. Many can fine you for doing it which sounds like what you may have. You probably need to garage it onsite or elsewhere.

Other things you can do: read your rules for your HOA. Some say the trailer can't be parked on the driveway. A person I know parks his in the grass beside the driveway and they can't do anything about it. It won't warm up your neighbor though.
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Old 11-01-2014, 04:58 AM   #3
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Our HOA has the same requirement. I understand your feelings (same situation here) and the neighbors. The rule is in place for unsightly/junk/construction/rv/camper/boat/snowmobile trailers that if left in place collect more crap and bring the perceived value of the area down.
Our solution for our Bambi was to raise the header on the door and remove the 7' standard height garage door and replace it with a 9' door to accompany our little toy. Fits perfectly out of the weather. Good Luck with the HOA or raising your header.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:05 AM   #4
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Unfortunately rules are rules. Too bad, maybe there is a simple solution.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:05 AM   #5
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I would ask to see the rules. If it's in there, you have to move it. If not, your neighbor will have to learn to love silver, cause you don't have to move it if you don't want to.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:27 AM   #6
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It is interesting to me that the HOA rep did not cite a rule from your HOA regulations; only a complaint. I would follow Becky's advice and get a copy of the HOA rules.
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I suppose getting to know Grumpy Nieghbor better is out of the question. It would be nice to know just why he objects to your AS in your drive, and why he is the only one complaining.

I remember when Ronald Reagan had a major problem with folks who did not see things his way, he had a BBQ.

I'm not saying you need to hold a large, lavish party. The idea is to win GN over somehow. At the same time, don't neglect the alies that you do have. They can switch sides if they are disgruntled.

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Old 11-01-2014, 10:42 AM   #8
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HOA's - good, bad and UGLY

An aunt and uncle of mine used to live in a little un-zoned village in Ohio. When we went to visit them there was this old rotting cottage that had been covered with siding (back then, steel, not vinyl) and was slowly collapsing in on itself. There were nice houses, trailers, run down trailers, outhouses and everything in between. That one rotting cottage FINALLY got bulldozed last summer - it sagged for 60 years... and the trailer with the three seater outhouse behind it is still there. The people who lived in nice houses on 5 acres certainly always wanted to have some code enforcement and sometimes mentioned arson as the only option for getting it.

Regular zoning laws can rarely prevent your next door neighbor from painting his house to 15 different clashing colors or placing 500 garden gnomes in his front yard. In my youth there was a country road in Bath, Ohio where a homeowner did one of the first huge Christmas light displays. Traffic had to be routed around his house by the county mounties for six weeks, the neighbors got awfully tired of it year after year, and the only thing that redeemed the situation was that
  1. other houses started putting up competing displays
  2. it turned out that Jeffery Dahmer grew up almost next door - which really put a blight on the whole neighborhood

So HOA's are designed to help make neighborhoods homes all look like they "fit" in and keep them all in repair... and prevent really obnoxious displays of a truly jarring nature from appearing.

Unfortunately there are always rule Nazi's who go way overboard. I lived in one HOA community where our front door got egged on Halloween, and the paint got permanently discolored. We were renting, but it was a small thing and so I went to the hardware store, got a quart of enamel paint that I thought was a close match, and painted the door. Zoning Nazi shows up the next day - I didn't have a permit to repaint the door in the same color - oh and the color was different - oh and the old color had been fading for 5 years so of course the fresh paint was a tad different. It took 2 months to resolve and three "spankings" by people I'd given credit for being rational adults before I actually got to know them.

I got a copy of the rules. I painted my garbage cans. Multi color and as ugly as I could make them. (Rules about putting them on the curb no earlier than midnight before garbage day and removing them no later than 4 hours after the truck picked up - but no rules about color). Metallic chrome, pink, neon green and orange was a personal favorite color. I caught a neighbor on camera "defacing my property" and then the fun really began. Fortunately I already knew the property owner was retiring from the Navy and wouldn't be renewing the lease and I'd made plans to be gone a week or two before he got back.

I heard that the neighborhood tightasses almost fell down and kissed his feet when he moved back in.

Multiple morals to the story
  • find out if there is an HOA and read the rules before you buy or lease. walk away or drink the kool-aid!
  • if the HOA's standards are yours and you like a super orderly world, buy into it
  • but if you want a somewhat fmore flexible standard - either participate actively in the HOA and help control the stringency of the HOA or live elsewhere
  • If you live with no HOA and an ineffective or non-existant code enforcement bureau... get ready for neighbors who hoard 98 cats, have four cars rusting on the lawn (or maybe even have 5 or 6 airstreams in varying stages of decrepitude out in plain site.
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I learned many years ago that when looking for potential homes to purchase , if there is a HOA involved with that property , scratch it off your list .
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In Calif. I was an HOA president of about a 100 home development. I agree with the above, read you HOA and CC&R's for your restrictions. One little known general HOA resident loophole is...if someone in an HOA neighborhood breaks an HOA law/rule and the HOA ignores it for some period of time it sets "presidents" which then make the law/rule undefendable in court. Of course this would take time/$ for it to run its course in court should the HOA decide to do so. So...in practical terms, if your HOA prevents it in HOA rules I would start looking for a storage place.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:52 PM   #11
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The only person in my neighborhood to attempt to make an issue of me parking my trailer in my driveway was against having an HOA. I parked my Bambi II in the backyard but can not fit the larger Safari around the corner and thru the gate. We have loosely enforced rules about long term parking in the street but none about what can be parked in the driveway.
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Old 11-01-2014, 01:42 PM   #12
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Today got a hoa board member knock the door. Saying some neighbor complain I parked my 16' Airstream on my driveway for nearly 1 month.

As I know, the city has no rule to prevent residents park RV on their own driveway. City only doesn't allow RV for street parking more than 72 hours.

My house has 3 car garage driveway, and the driveway's around 35' deep, way big for a cute Bambi. The coming guy even can't give a reason why the Bambi do harmful to the neighborhood. He just kept saying it should go into storage somewhere.

I think it's ridicules, I actually am using the trailer in this season every week. And I plan to drive it out in the winter as well, and frequently. I really can't understand why hoa so want to make people's life harder instead of happier.

I really don't want to move the cute one away. Anyone met this hassle before? Any suggestions to deal with the unpleasant neighbor?

Thanks!
HOA rules trump the city/county codes, so they can be stricter, & usually are!

As advised above, look at your HOA rules & at the CC&Rs (Codes, Covenants & Restrictions) which in CA MUST BE given to you upon sale or resale - & I think WA has similar laws - if not get them from the association 7/or seller or seller's broker.

Read thru those & ask the HOA association or rep for a specific citation of the section upon which they're relying to have you move the trailer.

While you're at it, check if you can park a car in the driveway as well, & if there are any "outs" like the parking it in the grass option noted in a prior post. Although in Bellevue you'll have lots of moisture in that grass under your Bambi.

If the trailer in front is out, then look at the raised garage door on your single door of your 3 car garage (most 3 car garages have 1 @ 16' & 1 @ 8' or 3x 8' w.), & look if you can raise the header enough to get a taller roll-up overhead type door in that single bay - & if you have enough length for the Bambi + A-frame, or if you need to raise the 2-car bay if it is deeper.

If not deep enough lengthwise, I've seen some put a removable panel or box-out for the tongue to stick out.

Make sure to measure your Bambi to the top of rooftop AC or highest projection & add a few inches for clearance, then ask the garage door installer you use for what door height you'll need for that clearance under the open door above - not just at the opening. Even different tires &/or wheels on a vehicle can change it's overall height - so measure yours to be sure, & leave some cushion if those tires/wheels, AC, TV antenna, etc. change later.

Also, check if you'll need to get HOA pre-approval for your garage door changes, as many do - particularly when their on the street facing elevation (side) of the house.

You may also want to add a 2" receiver to the front of your TV, so you can re-hitch to push the Bambi into the garage where you can see what you're doing, instead of backing with mirrors.

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Old 11-02-2014, 09:45 AM   #13
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After having been in the Navy under housing rules and then a condo after retirement and the Condo rules I bought a house with no HOA's I will never again live in a Neighborhood with dictatorship rules. I do understand unsightly issues but a clean cut orderly yard. is not a blight to the neighborhood if maintained in a clean and again orderly manner. I have a camper, a sailboat and a cabin boat. and all have their spot in my yard out back that do not effect the landscape. move out I say and get a piece of property where you can live your life under your terms.
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My house has 3 car garage driveway, and the driveway's around 35' deep, way big for a cute Bambi. The coming guy even can't give a reason why the Bambi do harmful to the neighborhood. He just kept saying it should go into storage somewhere.

I really don't want to move the cute one away. Anyone met this hassle before? Any suggestions to deal with the unpleasant neighbor? Thanks!
While I like anything Airstream... it doesnít look like your neighbors share mine (or yours) aesthetics... HOAís often seem to bring out the worst in people who have a need to be in charge...
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