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Old 07-04-2016, 12:07 PM   #85
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Even when standards are met, cheap labor trumps everything else.

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Gets the juices flowing, doesn't it ?
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I wonder how many here are willing (or able) to pay the true cost of goods manufactured in America by Americans earning a fair wage in facilities that comply with current safety and environmental standards?
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I wonder how many here are willing (or able) to pay the true cost of goods manufactured in America by Americans earning a fair wage in facilities that comply with current safety and environmental standards?
The problem with wondering about that is that the vast majority of those here are potentially those same workers that you speak of. So would they feel differently if they made fair wages in the jobs that would exist if jobs returned to the US and Canada?

In my opinion the real problem with the whole system is the very few extremely greedy who run the show and are not satisfied unless they live in gross opulence while occasionally throwing scraps to the rest of society who make them so obscenely rich.

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In my opinion the real problem with the whole system is the very few extremely greedy who run the show and are not satisfied unless they live in gross opulence while occasionally throwing scraps to the rest of society who make them so obscenely rich.

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You seem to be forgetting shareholders who demand higher profits and consumers who demand lower prices. Often, those two are the same person.
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You seem to be forgetting shareholders who demand higher profits and consumers who demand lower prices. Often, those two are the same person.
I wasn't forgetting them. I'm one of them.

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Lol, while many feel unaffected by the exodus of production jobs, soon to follow are jobs in other sectors.

Finance, management, engineering, development, and even retail jobs will be swallowed up.

But in exchange we will get cheap crap, while we can afford it.

It is funny how so many see production as an outmoded concept, while those that do produce slowly and assuredly encroach and obliterate our prosperity while feeding on the corpse of what America was.

Generations to come will say that we failed them, and they will be right.


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Then get the population to stop demanding cheap crap and agree to pay fair prices for domestic products.
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Then get the population to stop demanding cheap crap and agree to pay fair prices for domestic products.
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Then get the population to stop demanding cheap crap and agree to pay fair prices for domestic products.

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IMHO it starts with each of us. As an example, if you go to Home Depot (or wherever) to buy something and the one made in the USA is more expensive than the one made in China, will you buy the Made in USA brand?

Businesses will do what the consumer dictates! If the consumer always buys the lowest priced item the business man will try to drive down the cost. He must or he will lose sales.

I started my career as a tool and die maker and retired as a CEO, all spent in manufacturing. I have seen first hand the radical changes globalization has brought. The company where I started as a tool and die making apprentice has all of it's manufacturing now done in China. As a CEO I too have made decisions to purchase manufactured items from China knowing it would put Americans out of work. Did I want to make those decisions. Hell no! But my customer demanded continuously lower prices. Why? Because he was competing against foreign made products and if he did not keep his prices in check the consumer would ultimately buy from them.

So as long as we as a society are hooked on getting the cheapest priced product, the producers will continuously look for cheaper sources for labor and materials.
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Curious, have the foreign made content hates posters removed ALL non 100% made content from their autos,trailers and homes? I suspect not.
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Curious, have the foreign made content hates posters removed ALL non 100% made content from their autos,trailers and homes? I suspect not.
Of course not! That would be hard. They want things cheap, fast and easy. And the easy thing to do is blame foreigners, rather than look in the mirror.
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