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Old 06-26-2016, 07:38 PM   #57
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We like our AS. If we didn't, we would sell it and get something else. Have had several makes and models over 45 years. We have a special affection for our AS. I think many of us do...for better or worse. As they say..Love it or List it.
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:41 PM   #58
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After reading this comment chain, I'm glad my 2010 20FC is still in great shape (alas with Sendels and Michelins and a brand new AC since the old one was non-repairable). What bothered me was that no one at AS's design team called out the genius who designated the small rear window...OVER THE SINK AND FAUCET...as the emergency exit. Not only can't you get to the window, but you get disemboweled in the process of trying to get out. It is beyond me how no one at AS stopped this idiotic design, and tells me a lot of their corporate indifference in some matters (I know they subsequently changed the emergency exit). jon
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:45 PM   #59
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We love our AS. Despite a couple little quirks, this thing is awesome.
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:52 PM   #60
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Can I join the highly veered topic?

I love - LOVE - my Airstream. Problems? Some. Fun and stress relief? Unlimited.

The thing that bothers me most is that their quality is inconsistent.

Odds are, we (a very small subset of all AS owners) get a skewed look at complaints and a much higher percentage of owners must be more satisfied and just not complaining about things here.

Still, the consistency could improve dramatically. In the 40s, a reputation for handmade craftsmanship meant something. Since the advent of robotics, more scientific manufacturing, slim tolerances, Deming and Continuous Improvement - it's time to recognize that consistent quality is achievable - but not with we troublesome humans and our out-of-whack variability. It just is what it is.

As for Wally and "let's not make changes, just improvements" - I always hated that statement. And look - improvements would be a good place to start 😀 but consider this statement made by George Balanchine when handing over the NY Ballet to his successor - he said, "be relevant, not reverent."

That advice could serve AS well...

And at the same time, have I mentioned I LOVE my Airstream? 😀
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Old 06-26-2016, 09:30 PM   #61
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Our Airstream was beautifully assembled, no defects at purchase, no failures of original equipment in five years, 1000 nights camping, no corrosion anywhere. Nothing tows better or more easily in all weather. It is a joy, we love to travel, see the country, and live in it as our winter home in the Southwest.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. My buddy took his new Tiffin back to the factory with a list of 164 defects. He still loves it, maintains it very well, and never bitches about it.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:23 PM   #62
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Seriously, just fix it right, go camping and don't sweat the small stuff**. 😀😀

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Old 06-26-2016, 10:46 PM   #63
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I Paid 25K Canadian for my '96 Classic. My friends in Michigan paid 25K USD for a 27 foot SOB with two slides. Beautiful layout and features. My trailer is now 20 years old. In 20 years time my trailer will still be on the road, while my friends' will be rotting in a field somewhere in Michigan.
BTW I had an Award before my first AS..fiberglass sandwich walls. They rotted out in 7 years....not so bullet proof in my opinion. Takes a bang; yes...can't handle a small leak without serious damage.

And where else would Airstream buy cast aluminum wheels. Everyone has either gone to China or Mexico or, God forbid, Brazil.
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This, exactly.....my wife and stopped by an RV place, checking out toy haulers, we found a really nice on for 60k, my wife asked how long will it last. He said, if you do proper maintenence every year, it could last 15 years....we just bought a 1993 airstream for much less, and it's already survived for 20 years.....probably will outlast me, as well. Good enough incentive for me.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:51 PM   #64
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I bet your phone is made in China.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:54 PM   #65
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I bet the only thing preventing Thor from producing Airstreams somewhere in Asia (doesn't have to be China) is the shipping cost. It is a shame really; they would likely be less expensive and higher quality products. You only have to look as far as your smart phone to realize that.
I, inadvertently, bought some knock off Nike shoes, the quality sucked, and they were made in China....weird....huh..I bought a "real" pair, and the difference was astounding. I don't order shoes online, anymore. PS..I know Nike shoes are made in China, too.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:56 PM   #66
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I bet your phone is made in China.
Probably, and I've had so many issues with it, too.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:12 AM   #67
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A lot of folks don't know is that the founders of Thor actually cut their teeth in the RV business by first owning the Hi-Lo trailer company. Here is a clip from the RV Business trade publication.

"The company is credited with introducing Wade F.B. Thompson, the late co-founder of Thor Industries, into the RV world, according to RV Business. Thompson learned about Hi-Lo while working as a marketing professional in New York and eventually bought the company in 1977 from Jim Snyder, son of the original owner.

Thompson and his business partner, Peter Orthwein, sold Hi-Lo in July 2003, RV Business reported."

It's not unusual to occasionally see a Hi-Lo up at Jackson Center getting a wheel alignment. Hi-Lo's used the same torsion axle as the Airstreams. Hi-Lo's were pricy trailers but were well built. They had a steel frame and used a bonded aluminum foam wall construction. The roof was also aluminum bonded. I owned mine for 14 years with never a leak. It was the quietest trailer I ever owned due to its wall and roof construction.

Interesting that the company was never advertised under the Thor umbrella as best as I can see and was apparently operated as a stand alone company, thus not being officially a part of the Thor story and history. Interesting that the seeds of the Airstream purchase were actually sown by the purchase and ownership of Hi-Lo.

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Old 06-27-2016, 08:28 AM   #68
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I owned a Thor built Electra travel trailer back around 1998. It was an aluminum framed light weight 30' trailer. I dumped it after 3 years due to the fact that it continued to develop leaks from the day I bought it till the day I sold it. While it had some neat features like ducted air and heat, due to its aluminum framing it apparently flexed so much that screws and fasteners tended to work their way out making water pathways. I got a call from the new owner on his first trip in the rain informing me that the TV antenna had developed a leak over the bed his first night out in the rain. It had never leaked there when I owned it.

While you can get some pretty nice trailers out there for a lot less $$, I can tell you that very few of them will be in as good a shape when they turn 13 like my current Classic.

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Old 06-27-2016, 09:42 AM   #69
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I have read with interest the several replys and there is some merit to everything that is being said on both sides. First of all, there is no doubt in my mind there is room for improvement in quality control. I now own my fourth AS. I have had a 1963 and two 1971s. I now own a 2005 25' Safari.
I have had numerous problems on the 2005 that I did not have on the earlier ones. For the very high prices for new AS, they should have a level of quality that sets them apart from other trailers. From the comments from people with new news [2014, 15, 16] there are too many problems.
You will only be successful for a short period of time on the myth that you are the best. I hope the manufacturers are reading this forum or the people that are having all these problems make sure the factory hears about them.
The dealers have a large obligation to correct this problem and keep their customers happy. We are paying a premium these trailers and we should all expect for this price we are getting a premium product.
Let's all do our part to help Airstream improve!
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I, inadvertently, bought some knock off Nike shoes, the quality sucked, and they were made in China....weird....huh..I bought a "real" pair, and the difference was astounding. I don't order shoes online, anymore. PS..I know Nike shoes are made in China, too.

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Please don't tell us the quality of "Made in China" products can be both Good and Bad.

How are we gonna tell the bad "China Bombs" from the good ones?

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