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Old 06-09-2014, 05:32 AM   #99
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January or February to buy. Nothings moving in the RV industry (even way down here in Texas) so they are motivated. The rest of your questions are up to you really, except the last. Research, walk in, look at all of them, research.
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:46 AM   #100
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Hi Belbein,
Thanks for your comments! You keep giving my husband food for thought with buying bigger than we need (I want the 16, he wants the 22).... I think he quotes you by now
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Old 06-10-2014, 07:12 AM   #101
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OK can someone explain the Suicide Door? What is it and why is it a problem/annoyance?

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Old 06-10-2014, 07:35 AM   #102
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The door on the 16 opens with the hinges in the rear. Not much of a problem for most folks, but there is the possibility if you don't get it closed and latched it could blow open while traveling. If it were the other way it would just blow closed, no big deal. But with this design, if you screw up you REALLY screw up. You will destroy something expensive.

Most people poopoo the idea it is an issue. But some insist that tempting fate is a poor design. I fall in the middle on it. I think it is a potential problem that may hit me at some point. But if they put it the other way you could not have an awning. I like awnings.

A 16 is very much a victim of it's own beauty an efficiency.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:06 PM   #103
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Ah Ha. I knew the appearance of suicide doors from 50s sedans, but not the reasoning. Thanks for the explanation.
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:13 AM   #104
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Fortunately the door comes with two locks. Always lock both latches when traveling! If one fails, the other should hold.
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Old 06-11-2014, 05:56 AM   #105
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Fortunately the door comes with two locks. Always lock both latches when traveling! If one fails, the other should hold.
?? I was under the impression that the inside "tab" lock threw the same lock as the key...
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:56 AM   #106
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In our Bambi model there are two exterior door locks, each with a separate dead bolt and each requiring a different key. One of these can be operated from the inside if you wish to lock yourself in.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:45 PM   #107
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In our Bambi model there are two exterior door locks, each with a separate dead bolt and each requiring a different key. One of these can be operated from the inside if you wish to lock yourself in.
Unless they changed it, the Sport comes with one key lock. It's one of the reasons your 16 is about $10k more expensive and 1k lbs heavier.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:51 PM   #108
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Unless they changed it, the Sport comes with one key lock. It's one of the reasons your 16 is about $10k more expensive and 1k lbs heavier.
Just checked the airstream website. I guess the Sport is now the only 16 they make. Probably a smart move. Keeps them relatively lightweight so they can be towed with more vehicles. Mine tows just fine with my Jeep.
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:14 PM   #109
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The 2005 16-foot International did come with some extra perks-- some of which I could do without, like yellow bolsters on the dinette. Very hard to keep clean. Then the interior cabinetry and table is made with heavy plywood overlain with a laminate. I guess it's sturdy, but it is heavy. Assuming ours is in good condition, last year a dealer told me its book price was probably around $16,000. This makes the price competitive with a massive 30-foot 10-year old white box 5th wheel.

We've never had a door issue. The arms on the Zip-dee awning are another matter. We've had the claw foot break on one arm, and another one try to pull out the rivets on the base, even though we seldom use it. We duct-taped them for a while to make sure the awning wouldn't roll out on the highway.
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Old 06-14-2014, 05:47 AM   #110
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I think your 16 is worth more than 16K. I want it...
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The used 16s I have seen on the classifieds are listed for about as much as new 16 sports. Thus our dilemma on getting new/full warranty vs. used with a beefier trailer and pano windows.
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The used 16s I have seen on the classifieds are listed for about as much as new 16 sports. Thus our dilemma on getting new/full warranty vs. used with a beefier trailer and pano windows.
I agree. I started out wanting a nice used 16, but prices and/or fix up needs were so high I just bought a new one and made payments. Even new ones were not easy to find locally for awhile. It was difficult to get competitive offers with so few available, but I did manage to get another $1k off the "show price" (with is less than manufacturers suggested). And mine was made the month before I bought it, so everything was right out of the wrapper and in much better shape than the first "new" one I looked at.

The dealer will lo-ball the trade-in estimate, and hi-ball the sales prices. It seems far worse even than with cars. If you can travel you should have better opportunities for a better deal.
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