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Old 06-10-2014, 07:12 AM   #101
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OK can someone explain the Suicide Door? What is it and why is it a problem/annoyance?

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Old 06-10-2014, 07:35 AM   #102
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The door on the 16 opens with the hinges in the rear. Not much of a problem for most folks, but there is the possibility if you don't get it closed and latched it could blow open while traveling. If it were the other way it would just blow closed, no big deal. But with this design, if you screw up you REALLY screw up. You will destroy something expensive.

Most people poopoo the idea it is an issue. But some insist that tempting fate is a poor design. I fall in the middle on it. I think it is a potential problem that may hit me at some point. But if they put it the other way you could not have an awning. I like awnings.

A 16 is very much a victim of it's own beauty an efficiency.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:06 PM   #103
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Ah Ha. I knew the appearance of suicide doors from 50s sedans, but not the reasoning. Thanks for the explanation.
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:13 AM   #104
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Fortunately the door comes with two locks. Always lock both latches when traveling! If one fails, the other should hold.
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Fortunately the door comes with two locks. Always lock both latches when traveling! If one fails, the other should hold.
?? I was under the impression that the inside "tab" lock threw the same lock as the key...
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In our Bambi model there are two exterior door locks, each with a separate dead bolt and each requiring a different key. One of these can be operated from the inside if you wish to lock yourself in.
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In our Bambi model there are two exterior door locks, each with a separate dead bolt and each requiring a different key. One of these can be operated from the inside if you wish to lock yourself in.
Unless they changed it, the Sport comes with one key lock. It's one of the reasons your 16 is about $10k more expensive and 1k lbs heavier.
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Unless they changed it, the Sport comes with one key lock. It's one of the reasons your 16 is about $10k more expensive and 1k lbs heavier.
Just checked the airstream website. I guess the Sport is now the only 16 they make. Probably a smart move. Keeps them relatively lightweight so they can be towed with more vehicles. Mine tows just fine with my Jeep.
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The 2005 16-foot International did come with some extra perks-- some of which I could do without, like yellow bolsters on the dinette. Very hard to keep clean. Then the interior cabinetry and table is made with heavy plywood overlain with a laminate. I guess it's sturdy, but it is heavy. Assuming ours is in good condition, last year a dealer told me its book price was probably around $16,000. This makes the price competitive with a massive 30-foot 10-year old white box 5th wheel.

We've never had a door issue. The arms on the Zip-dee awning are another matter. We've had the claw foot break on one arm, and another one try to pull out the rivets on the base, even though we seldom use it. We duct-taped them for a while to make sure the awning wouldn't roll out on the highway.
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I think your 16 is worth more than 16K. I want it...
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The used 16s I have seen on the classifieds are listed for about as much as new 16 sports. Thus our dilemma on getting new/full warranty vs. used with a beefier trailer and pano windows.
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The used 16s I have seen on the classifieds are listed for about as much as new 16 sports. Thus our dilemma on getting new/full warranty vs. used with a beefier trailer and pano windows.
I agree. I started out wanting a nice used 16, but prices and/or fix up needs were so high I just bought a new one and made payments. Even new ones were not easy to find locally for awhile. It was difficult to get competitive offers with so few available, but I did manage to get another $1k off the "show price" (with is less than manufacturers suggested). And mine was made the month before I bought it, so everything was right out of the wrapper and in much better shape than the first "new" one I looked at.

The dealer will lo-ball the trade-in estimate, and hi-ball the sales prices. It seems far worse even than with cars. If you can travel you should have better opportunities for a better deal.
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The used 16s I have seen on the classifieds are listed for about as much as new 16 sports. Thus our dilemma on getting new/full warranty vs. used with a beefier trailer and pano windows.
I don't think that very many of the people listing their 16's for sale in the classifieds are selling them at their listed prices.

If you want to get an idea what these trailers are really selling for you should watch eBay for a little while. My research leads me to believe that you can buy a more-desirable, better-equipped, hardly-used 16' trailer for $10k less than a new unit. In a few cases I've seen older, but "nearly-new" trailers go for more than $15k less than the cost of a brand-new trailer. If the trailer is local you're in great shape, and you'll save even more. If it isn't go pick it up, or have it shipped to you. Shipping costs are probably in the $1.00 - $1.25 per mile range. If you have a dealer near you then plan to take the trailer to them after you receive it so that they can assess any work that they recommend. You can still save thousands by buying used, having it delivered, and having your AS dealer work out any significant bugs.

Financing a used trailer can be difficult so you might want to get all those ducks in a row before you get too serious about any used trailer purchase.
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Old 06-14-2014, 08:04 PM   #114
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Thanks Airrogant. It will be something to consider. Unfortunately our closest dealers are 3 hours away. Because of that there are few units in our local areas that show up.
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Gosh, Renderit, are you making me an offer? I might be tempted to sell ours, so that I could get the 31-footer I've always wanted but I don't think Len would part with it.

BTW, ours weighs 3500 lbs. I don't know the weight of the new Sports.

Our nearest dealership is Airstream of Spokane, about 3 hours from us. We've found them very good to deal with on service appointments. I did learn from the owner that there is a strong market for used Bambis.

We got ours at Can-Am in London, Ontario when it was two years old, and hardly used. They were also good to deal with. One advantage of getting ours from the dealership, whatever we may have lost on the sale price, was Can-Am's warranty on their used trailers. The warranty turned out to be the best deal ever, because once we seriously took Bambi on the road, we found all kinds of things wrong with it: the worst was having the back cupboard pull out and fall on the bed while traveling from Ontario to BC. The furnace kept blowing fuses, one of the seams leaked, and so on. Fortunately (knocking on wood) once we got these problems cleared up we've not had anything major go wrong for a while.

PiggyBank, I think would-be AS owners kind of have to go where the model they want is located. It may be a ways from home. My daughter-in-law's parents traveled from Colorado to California to get theirs. Fortunately there are mechanically knowledgeable members on this forum who will save you a trip and inspect a likely AS for you, if one happens to live in in the area where a likely AS comes up for sale. Periodically there are threads about scams of con artists claiming to have an AS for sale, when they really don't, so if you use an on-line market place to buy from an individual, just be super careful.
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Coming in late here.... One of the 25' units has a very large rear bathroom, the largest of any current units, I believe. Plus, one can walk around the bed. But as noted, you might be best advised to attend an Airstream rally and look at all the different coaches, then after listening to everyone tell their story you can make an informed decision.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:36 AM   #117
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Jeanne,
That is good info. I guess that the upside of wanting to buy in about 2 years or so is the luxury of time to learn more, and to watch the ads. With no dealer close, we actually may be better off buying one close to a locale with a good dealer, so we can test-run locally, or stop off at the factory on the way home to get things shipshape. It is just a tough call.

We are not DIY types, so we would need a good service provider to help out.

So that brings up a point of, just like cars, what types of problems need to be seen at an Airstream dealer, and what types of problems can be addressed by any competent SOB dealer with good aptitude? How much of Airstream diagnostic and maintenance needs Airstream factory trained mechanics?

Winterizing?
Wheel and brake inspection and maintenance?
Appliance maintenance ?
Plumbing help?

I think that it would be fairly important for any leak issues to make the trip to an AS dealer, but where do these other more "standard maintenance" items fall on that spectrum?

Thanks again to all who are helping on this thread with their knowledge!!
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Old 06-15-2014, 10:07 AM   #118
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Good for you. A couple in my church just got a used ocean breeze 16'- really neat. I like that silver jelly bean look! Airstreams are so unique and each model has so many differences. It helped me greatly to have forum members banter back and forth on various models and what they have considered or worked through using their stream. That is what is so cool about this forum. Like I shared my preference for the 23C L-lounge- dropped from production. Apparently most did not like it but the lounge layout and freed up floor space was beneficial- IMO. So now you have decided on the 16', and you will love it!
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4 Bambi Models-feature differences

There are one of those special edition 16' models DW or whatever in the classifieds. He added a bunch of stereo equipment but negotiation is a good thing and it's in FL just in time for a vacation.

Oh, and a 16' sport in Kanas!
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Rod,
I saw those. The DWR with 10K of electronics. No thanks. I want to "unplug".

That 16 with the icky layout and no front pano. Also a no-go.

I would compromise to the sport 16 without the rear pano, but no way would I buy anything without the front pano.

I do quite like the 16 from Indiana with the double panos.


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