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Old 03-05-2008, 08:20 AM   #1
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Vintage Trailer Jam 08

I haven't seen anyone post about this rally yet.

Vintage Trailer Jam 08
July 11-14, 2008
Saratoga Spa State Park, Saratoga Springs NY

Airstream Life Vintage Trailer Jam 2008

Sponsored by Airstream Life, Vintage Trailer Supply and GSM
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Old 03-05-2008, 09:59 AM   #2
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I haven't seen anyone post about this rally yet.

Vintage Trailer Jam 08
July 11-14, 2008
Saratoga Spa State Park, Saratoga Springs NY

Airstream Life Vintage Trailer Jam 2008

Sponsored by Airstream Life, Vintage Trailer Supply and GSM
Interesting, isn't it? the low key introduction, that is......

I am curious about the way it is being advertised. One ad in A/L and one i think on the VAP webpage?

The ad/notice is short on details. I forwarded it to one of my frugle friends and he mentioned that it sounded expensive. I do not mind the cost but want to be able to opt out of the food part of the fee. I have decided it is not worth buying food I will not eat anyway. If the powers that be are reading let me know. there should be some flexiblity with a first time event and I plan to opt out of any new pre fixed food arrangements at future rallies. Life is too short for burnt bbq. ick.

Otherwise sounds like a great location for many reasons. I would like to hear a few more details about the event. I may buy a morning telegraph and place a bet on the ponies too!
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Registration fee of $165 is for one travel trailer or motorhome plus 1 person. Add $30 for each additional person over age 6.

Registration fee includes seminars, workshops and Saturday night BBQ, plus camping the nights of Friday, July 11th through Sunday, July 13th, with check out on Monday morning.

If you'd like to arrive early to explore the many sights around Saratoga Springs, you may arrive on Thursday, July 10th and camp on site for an additional $20 fee per trailer.

On-site camping includes:
  • 3 amp electric (for recharging only; no AC appliances, please)
  • water for filling tanks
  • two pump-outs (Friday and Sunday)*
  • trash drop-off
*Please plan ahead for limited pump-outs and consider your holding tank capacities. Two portable toilets will be available on site. Showers will be available for a small fee at a swimming pool within walking distance.

Walk-in registration is available for $45 per person. Walk-in registration is for any attendee who is not camping on site but who wants to attend workshops and Saturday's BBQ dinner.
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:07 AM   #4
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Interesting, isn't it? the low key introduction, that is......

I am curious about the way it is being advertised. One ad in A/L and one i think on the VAP webpage?

The ad/notice is short on details. I forwarded it to one of my frugle friends and he mentioned that it sounded expensive. I do not mind the cost but want to be able to opt out of the food part of the fee. I have decided it is not worth buying food I will not eat anyway. If the powers that be are reading let me know. there should be some flexiblity with a first time event and I plan to opt out of any new pre fixed food arrangements at future rallies. Life is too short for burnt bbq. ick.

Otherwise sounds like a great location for many reasons. I would like to hear a few more details about the event. I may buy a morning telegraph and place a bet on the ponies too!
Rich L. LOVES barbecue.

You are right I thought it was really low key also in announcement. I saw one post over at Tin Can Tourists announcing it.

I'd like to know more about the area, not only the immediate Saratoga Springs area but the must sees when out that way too.
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Would really like to go to this, but the cost of the rally plus fuel just isn't in the cards unfortunately. Wish we could get a more centralized locale for some of us in the Midwest.

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Registration DetailsRegistration fee of $165 is for one travel trailer or motorhome plus 1 person. Add $30 for each additional person over age 6.

Registration fee includes seminars, workshops and Saturday night BBQ, plus camping the nights of Friday, July 11th through Sunday, July 13th, with check out on Monday morning.

If you'd like to arrive early to explore the many sights around Saratoga Springs, you may arrive on Thursday, July 10th and camp on site for an additional $20 fee per trailer.

On-site camping includes:
  • 3 amp electric (for recharging only; no AC appliances, please)
  • water for filling tanks
  • two pump-outs (Friday and Sunday)*
  • trash drop-off
*Please plan ahead for limited pump-outs and consider your holding tank capacities. Two portable toilets will be available on site. Showers will be available for a small fee at a swimming pool within walking distance.

Walk-in registration is available for $45 per person. Walk-in registration is for any attendee who is not camping on site but who wants to attend workshops and Saturday's BBQ dinner

Thanks wheelinterested for the information.

This is interesting to read over again and try to get why it cost $20. for an early Thursday night camping fee and then the next three nights average out at $60.00 per day/night.
But if you do not camp on site you can get everything plus burnt chicken for $45.00 for three days?

why does this bug me so much?

How about alla carte pricing for camping, seminars, dump services, and general kitty fee for putting the event together?

It is always the little things that add up with how much everything cost these days, and sometimes the big things.

Add the cost of travel for only three days and it does make me think, do I really need to buy another bbq I won't eat?

Help me understand vintage lifestyle purveyors? Is there a way for the most enthusiastic of us to share the joys of Jammitity 08 without added cost and wasted food? I would rather put the extra $30. or so in the gas tank.

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i like your analytic approach to these events.

given THIS ONE is a first time thing, i'm less bothered by the packaged price issue or total fee.

but i'm pretty sure the ORGANIZERS don't wanna come out in the red on costs....

honey bucket service, park rental space, security, insurance, food, foot lights and party favors all cost.

IF after attending the view is "too much money for the show" we will all read about it, i'm sure.

the provided food concept seems useful at some of these vintage SHOW gigs,

where so much time is spent prep-ing the rig for open house and tours, leaving little for cooking and galley clean up.

there are apparently regular campgrounds and rv parks nearby and that might be the best approach for some.

otoh, going to that very first dead concert or woodstock or the alpha tupperware party...

was priceless!

so as carol has asked WHAT ELSE is there to do/see in this area of new york?

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Jam????????????????

I don't get it. Why call it a jam when it isn't a jam? Jammming is a musical
term referring to a bunch of people, who might not know each other, playing music, that they might not have played before.
Having a jam with no music is kinda like having a dinner with no food. I don't get it!!!
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What if they are calling it Jam because the people are being Jammed into the park area, or that it will be a sweet and sticky mess in July.

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I don't get it. Why call it a jam when it isn't a jam? Jammming is a musical
term referring to a bunch of people, who might not know each other, playing music, that they might not have played before.
Having a jam with no music is kinda like having a dinner with no food. I don't get it!!!
I think they are hoping a certain rasta man dread lock wbcci dude shows up.

I can go for the no dinner thing - been there, done that.

Great place to have a rally.....hate the logo.
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Hi all,
I'm one of the organizers of the Vintage Trailer Jam 2008. Let me try to answer some of the questions that have been asked here.

The fee for the event includes all the stuff quoted above (camping, pumpouts, a catered meal) plus a lot more. Everyone who signs up gets $100 off future work at GSM Vehicles, a free year of Airstream Life magazine, a free year's membership to the Saratoga Auto Museum (which includes unlimited admission), and if you sign up before May 31st, $100 worth of coupons at Vintage Trailer Supply. For a $165 investment, that's a nice deal!

The reason we call it a "jam" is because we wanted to be clear that it's not a rally. It's a private event, not sponsored by Airstream or the WBCCI, and not a forum rally. It's not for profit, but as 2air rightly pointed out, we sure don't want to lose money on it either!

The focus is going to be on learning about vintage trailers and vintage motorhomes. So there will be seminars about trailer & RV history, hands-on repair/restoration workshops, and lifestyle presentations. I'll present at least one or two myself. Colin Hyde of GSM Vehicles will also give some seminars, and a lot of free on-site advice, and if you've ever met Colin in person or heard him on The VAP you know he's a wealth of information.

Steve Hingtgen of Vintage Trailer Supply is another co-sponsor, and he'll also be presenting a seminar or two. Brett Greiveldinger will also present, and I think he'll be doing something on motorhomes. We're still working out the schedule and will have it online ASAP. In my opinion, the workshops & seminars are a huge part of the value of this event, and really the primary reason why we are putting it together.

By the way, I heard today that there will be an exhibit of GTOs at the Auto Museum while we are there. The Saratoga Automobile Museum is in itself a great place to visit, and as I mentioned, the admission is free to people attending the Jam.

Since the seminars I mentioned are being presented without any compensation to the speakers, we can keep the walk-in fee rather cheap. But to camp on the grounds of the Saratoga Automobile Museum is technically very tricky. There are no facilities for camping on site, so we have to bring in water, electric, pump-out trucks, food, trash cans -- everything.

If the $160 fee is too much, you can always camp off-site and walk in for $45. That covers the seminars, the dinner, and the entertainment (sword swallowing, anyone?). A full-hookup campground would probably cost about $90 so you'd save $25 and be able to run your air conditioning. I encourage people to do this if it works better for them.

Carol asked what else there is to do in the area. Saratoga Springs is in a great area with lots of things to see and do. See this link for details.

Mandolindave asked about jamming. We'd love to have some music! Bring your instruments. I'll have my ukuleles there. (I hope I don't dissuade anyone from coming with that statement!)

Soldiermedic joked about being "jammed in there". Seriously, there's acres of space on the grass for us to park, but since we have to bring in the utilities, we have decided to limit the total number of trailers to 100. Only 20 non-vintage units will be accepted, and those spaces are first-come, first-served. After we hit the limit, you can still show up but only as a walk-in.

It should be a lot of fun for the people who come. If the event is a success, we might even do it again next year ...
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I received a few tips for places to check out...
"take a trip to Pittsburg NH. Lake Francis State Park. Also, check out Little Diamond Pond at Coleman State Park. You'll get to see moose & loons at both places. So remote, and so beautiful."
Anyone been to there or have some other favorite stops that-a-way?
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Rich,

I understand having the location near GSM and VTS respectively, but any plans to move it to a location further west next year (Say Illinois, MO, KS)?

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Soldiermedic: Honestly at this point we have no plans at all for 2009. We're taking it one day at a time right now. The logistics of doing this once have been daunting enough -- we'd need a lot of help from local people to pull it off further from home. But looking forward, I would say that anything is possible.

wheel interested: I know where you got those recommendations! Our mutual friend loves those spots. Keep in mind that the places he mentioned are probably a 6-8 hour drive away. As they say in Vermont, "you can't get there from here," and that's definitely true of getting from Saratoga to northern NH. But considering how far you would be coming, what's a few more hours?
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