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Old 11-18-2009, 12:31 PM   #71
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Everyone seems to be having so much fun working up the details of the new club, I still have not seen an answer to my question: Why do we NEED a club? What need is not being met in the current situation? What are potential members crying out for that the new club is going to provide which they cannot get anywhere else?

I still see no reason for another club.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:35 PM   #72
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hamp and bob -- I don't actually see 47WeeWind's objective as a new club. It could be taken in that way -- and others. His post 53 definitely points to a clean page approach that the WBCCI could consider. Interesting thread... (and hamp's blog gets better every day )
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:48 PM   #73
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The reason for a not for profit club would be for people to find their way to caravans and ralliies.
The WBCII has too much overhead and for what purpose. Girls who work in an office to do what. With the internet it would be easy to have caravans and rallies posted here on airforums. The source for info would be a club.
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The reason for a not for profit club would be for people to find their way to caravans and ralliies.
The WBCII has too much overhead and for what purpose. Girls who work in an office to do what. With the internet it would be easy to have caravans and rallies posted here on airforums. The source for info would be a club.
But that's exactly why clubs are dying out. We don't need to pay dues and organize overseers and all that stuff for organizing caravans and rallies. With the internet we have the ability to do that ourselves. It's not just Airstreams. I used to run a local Miata club back in the mid-90s in E WA. There was no other way to gather people up to get together for a run in the mountains. We put out a little newsletter and everyone had everyone else's phone number, and we'd get together and do our thing, and dues paid for postage and paper to print the newsletter so folks would know when the next run was so they could plan. But today, there would be no reason to go through all that trouble. Everyone is online. I could go over to Miata.net and put a call out for locals and tell them when to gather and we'd be off.
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...Why do we NEED a club?...
because HUMANS need a tribe, sista!

we just got SO MUCH LUV 2 share...



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Old 11-18-2009, 02:06 PM   #76
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If you don't see a need for another club, Stephanie, then why participate in the thread? Why not simply allow the people who see a potential need to discuss and explore the concept of what shape a new club might need?

I don't understand the "need" for red numbers on my coach... but I recognize that some people covet them. I don't understand the need for a blue beret... or honestly, a beret of any kind. When one has a melon of my Peanuts-esque proportions, the last thing one would want is to draw attention to it.

Airforums is a virtual watering hole. Some people want a real life watering hole. There's a deep and abiding difference, Stephanie between watching "Cheers" and having a real place where everyone knows your name. Even prototypical nonjoiners like me harbor a childlike fascination for decoder rings, secret handshakes and an official certificate suitable for framing.

Virtual connections feel real... but they are not. My wife and I spent the day with Brenda and her great kids. Reading about them on the Internet was not the same as actually hearing them laugh or seeing them smile. The Airforums is a great resource and wonderful medium of communication... but for some, it is not enough.
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Old 11-18-2009, 02:21 PM   #77
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If you don't see a need for another club, Stephanie, then why participate in the thread? Why not simply allow the people who see a potential need to discuss and explore the concept of what shape a new club might need?
Because I'm curious to see what a new club will encompass, and I don't think it will be successful until people define what it is the new club will do/offer that people cannot already do on their own with the resources that are available.

I see the need for a physical place to gather, that's why we have rallies. I've met lots of great people through the forums, and we've had a lot of great times rallying. But that all happened for free without any club structure necessary. I'm a member of a local dog training club because we get together and train together, and you can't do that virtually.

So I guess what I'm asking people to think about is what can a new club offer that is not already freely available? Because otherwise all you'll get is the people who like to join clubs, and the rest will still be sitting out saying 'well, what can you do for me?'
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Old 11-18-2009, 02:51 PM   #78
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If one wants to see "my humble opinion" of what a new club would be......just come on down and join us for "Canopener 2010" in January. There should be approximately 50 Airstreams in attendance, and hopefully none will try and force 2Air into "neckedness" just because he isn't wearing a badge.

BTW Joe, thanks for the video......I recognize the 'hood from Mz. Garmin's Miss-directions (in at least three different cities).

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Speaking of clubs, which 1 do I need to join to get the red numbers on my unit? Thanks for the help.
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Amazement?

When given an opportunity to be creative and constructive, the same old purveyors of cliches, and trite continue on.

Wee Wind truly has tried to find a light at the end of the tunnel, without turning back into the dark.
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Everyone seems to be having so much fun working up the details of the new club, I still have not seen an answer to my question: Why do we NEED a club? What need is not being met in the current situation? What are potential members crying out for that the new club is going to provide which they cannot get anywhere else?

I still see no reason for another club.
The answer is simple. Most of us do not want to camp with a bunch of old white people talking about the same things, telling the same old jokes, wearing silly girl scout hats and nametags, and paying a lot of hard earned money so the elite can have benefits not available to the rest of us. Has anyone here been asked to travel to Scotland all expenses paid to scout out the RV industry over there?

The internet has exposed us to a whole new free wheeling, do it yourself world that doesn't need the structure and politics of the "old" club. For those who like that kind of thing, have at it, have fun, wave at us as we go by. But if you don't like the answers you are getting, don't ask the question.
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Stephanie... you enter the conversation with a particular point of view, to wit, "we don't need a new club." You have further decided that a club must be defined and meet some unmet need (which you don't acknowledge exists) for it to be sucessful (whatever that means).

With all due respect, the only decision you must make about any new club is whether or not you are inclined to join. If you don't see any need, then why not simply allow the rest of us to engage in a discussion about what that need might be and how it might be filled? Given the intelligence, insight and experience of the Airforums... I'm going to "take as read" the fact that these members have figured out what is "freely available." I also presume folks know that Airforums is not is not free because many of us contribute money.

I disagree with the notion that the universe can be divided neatly into those people who like to join clubs and the those people who sit around saying, "Well, what can you do for me." The success of Airforums is not merely that people get something out of these forums. It is that people have an opportunity to contribute something. In this world, Stephanie, there are people who don't simply think of what they have to gain... they think of what they have to offer.

This strikes to the heart of one of the problems the WBCCI faces... the perception that the international leadership is comprised of carefully selected persons who enjoy substantial benefits at the expense of rank-and-file members. Whether we're talking about a marriage, a family, a club or a business... selfishness is corrosive. This is why one of my suggestions for a mythical new club was to make a service project or "random act of kindness" part of every rally.
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If you don't see any need, then why not simply allow the rest of us to engage in a discussion about what that need might be and how it might be filled?
I am not in any way trying to stop discussion of a new club. I want to encourage it. I really want to challenge people to think of reasons why a new club is needed.

Over and over again I see people saying the WB is not for them because they are not getting anything out of it for the money they put into it. That's why I maintain that any new club will need some sort of reason for being that makes people want to be a part of it.

A club focused on charitable works, or on people gathering to see how their talents can be used for greater good? Great, why not? That's a wonderful idea.
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