View Poll Results: Why did leave WBCCI ?
Cost to much 10 21.74%
Not enough value for the membership fee 17 36.96%
To many rules 18 39.13%
I don't need to belong to group to enjoy camping 22 47.83%
Bad experience 9 19.57%
Other reason(s) 9 19.57%
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Old 08-08-2015, 08:32 PM   #43
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Boy talk about speculation....... Let's not get tooooo worked up over nothing. Only the new president knows what he is thinking.

On the topic of caravans being full for years in advance. I must admit (and I have said it before) this is a huge problem for new members and new member retention.

It sounds like cancelations happen all the time and if there is a waiting list that spot is then filled. Yet what happens when there is not a waiting list? The spot goes empty as the leaders have no idea who might be interested because many people are not interested in putting their names on waiting list......

As a suggested fix; would it be possible for (all) caravans to post their vacancy situation and update it when there is a change or an opening. This would allow new comers to have knowledge of possible opening at the last minute and jump in if they wish.

Just an idea - hope someone in power can look into possible options.....

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Old 08-09-2015, 04:31 AM   #44
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After you posted that, I went back and re-read the entire thread from beginning to end. I didn't see one single instance of someoneó not even meó telling anybody that their reason for leaving was wrong.

There was some advice for people who were on the fence about leaving because they joined to go on caravans and were dismayed by the long waiting lists, and stuff like that. And some membership statistics.

But if your reason for leaving WBCCI is controversial and you don't want controversy, you're entirely within your right to exclude us from knowing it. You could PM the OP instead of posting it for the peanut gallery to read.
You may interpret things one way while others may see it differently. My original point is that the OP ask ex members why they left and so many current members feel a necessity to post why they love the club and are continuing membership when there are so many other threads to express those feelings. You may not think so but there is a message.

As to my reason for leaving WBCCI, it is not controversial and it has been posted on these forums long before your involvement in the Airstream Community and I don't feel a need to re-post it.
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Old 08-09-2015, 05:33 AM   #45
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I thought it was just me who recognized the glow fest this thread has become. I do not mean to assume, but I think Castaway was trying to understand why people leave, not why they stay or what the current President is or is not thinking. I am fairly sure that how sign ups for caravans is done is not part of what the OP was trying to understand. People are just unable to read the title but comment any how.
Many of you posting(mostly Protagonist, a fitting name) fail to realize that not everyone feels a warm and fuzzy over the WBCCI. Instead of respecting that others do not enjoy the WB , you continue to state how wrong they are and great is going to become. You do not have to say "you are wrong" to express it.

This thread is titled Why Did You Leave The WBCCI. Perhaps if you have not left, this is not really the thread you should be commenting on it. I hate to point out simple logic.
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Old 08-09-2015, 05:47 AM   #46
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This thread is titled Why Did You Leave The WBCCI. Perhaps if you have not left, this is not really the thread you should be commenting on it. I hate to point out simple logic.

I'd like to clarify something. I posted what I did because IF it expanded beyond AS products I would leave. I didn't think that was glow festing - though it is purely wild speculation and probably irresponsible on my part.

Other than that, I felt I was in keeping with the intent of the thread. Sincere apologies if that wasn't felt to be the case.
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Old 08-09-2015, 06:12 AM   #47
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Oddly, here might be a better thread currently running also...
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Old 08-09-2015, 07:01 AM   #48
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Forgot, that while a Unit President at age 39, submitted a list of 27 things to improve the club (when the club was hemorrhaging at over $200k a year loss) only to fall on deaf ears, then when leaving the club and hosting a Rally - served a 5 page cease and desist letter (further hemorrahaging an already over legal funds budgeted) with 7 items to adhere too (three of which were to change the name from "Wally Byam's Birthday Bash" , get rid of the picture of Wally (that came from a plaque from a Wally Byam Holiday that pre-dated the WBCCI) and to ensure all attending knew it wasn't a WBCCI event).

I'll NEVER go back... and I don't say never often... and thus the birth of The Airstreamer's Club - or TAC!! No dues and no TIES, just a love of Airstreaming and the camaraderie of owning (or wanting to own one)!! PS - I complied, but I almost responded with a one paged photo copy of my NY salute! I have that letter framed in my office!!
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Old 08-09-2015, 07:12 AM   #49
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Careful, there. Argosy trailers and motorhomes ARE allowed into the club. So are painted Airstream Class A motorhomes and Class B van conversions. The key point is that they were manufactured (or converted) by Airstream, not by another subsidiary of the parent organization.
I'm sorry, I thought I had read that panted argosy, or if someone painted their airstream, would not be admitted in the club. I apologize, for my misspoken mistake.
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Old 08-09-2015, 07:16 AM   #50
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Forgot, that while a Unit President at age 39, submitted a list of 27 things to improve the club (when the club was hemorrhaging at over $200k a year loss) only to fall on deaf ears, then when leaving the club and hosting a Rally - served a 5 page cease and desist letter (further hemorrahaging an already over legal funds budgeted) with 7 items to adhere too (three of which were to change the name from "Wally Byam's Birthday Bash" , get rid of the picture of Wally (that came from a plaque from a Wally Byam Holiday that pre-dated the WBCCI) and to ensure all attending knew it wasn't a WBCCI event).

I'll NEVER go back... and I don't say never often... and thus the birth of The Airstreamer's Club - or TAC!! No dues and no TIES, just a love of Airstreaming and the camaraderie of owning (or wanting to own one)!! PS - I complied, but I almost responded with a one paged photo copy of my NY salute! I have that letter framed in my office!!
To me, that president should have been removed, if you can't honor and respect the heritage of the club you belong to, namely, the man who started it all, you probably should be allowed to hold a position higher than member. That's all I'm going to say on the subject.
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All that garbage is in the past, I hope.Things are different now. Two sides to every story. I'm on your side, though.
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Old 08-09-2015, 08:01 AM   #53
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Frank,

Wow, over eight years ago!

Thought I'd seen a thread like this before, now I know why ;-)

Oh, and I do plan to call you back, still waiting for you and the family to enjoy a little "holler" camping.

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Old 08-09-2015, 08:20 AM   #54
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Hi. I'm not an Airstream owner, but my wife and I are thinking of buying one.

We currently own a Mercedes Roadtrek Class B that we use for extended travel throughout the US.

Since we really don't know anyone with an Airstream, I was curious about Airstream clubs, and this topic.

I did a web search for the WBCCI, and read more about the club there. in the "why join" section, there was a lot of mention of caravans, rallies, and Airstream-only campgrounds.

My wife and I enjoy travel, and enjoy the outdoors. We've met wonderful people across the USA, whether in a Class A, B, C, C+, fiver, TT or tent. We like people. Don't get me wrong. But the reason we have an RV is that we want to see the country, National Parks, State Parks, sightsee, and so on. We're not really interested in sacrificing our flexibility by traveling or camping "as a group".

The WBCCI also mentions I'd be surrounded by friends who know the ins and outs of Airstreams. That might be true.

But it is also true that these days, I can get answers to virtually any technical question, in seconds, on the internet, via social media and forums, like this one.

The Club offers 10 issues of the "Blue Beret" magazine.

I went looking online for this, as we don't do paper magazines/newspapers anymore. If it is not online on an iPad or Tablet, it's not something we are interested in.

I found an online "Blue Beret" for August 2015 and downloaded the pdf.

The "President's Corner" mentions "more caravans" and "more rallies", which, as I explained, we personally are not interested in.

There was also page after page of advertising. That's fine. But it doesn't add any "value" to a membership.

Plus, there were a lot of articles about signing up for future rallies.

After that, the "Welcome" new members article admonished me ("Where were you?") for "not being in Farmington."

Really? Maybe because I was somewhere else? Maybe I had something better to do? And you have an issue with that?

Then I saw an article that advised me to "do a google search" if I was going to visit somewhere for the first time. Uh...right.

I liked the article on "Care and Feeding of your RV" very much. I found it odd it was dated from 2014.

I then stopped reading, as the advertising seemed to go on and on.

Here is the bottom line for me. It would cost us $85 a year, as a member at large, to join. We don't caravan. I find all the technical know-how I need online, via forums like this one, Facebook groups, Youtube, or the equipment makers websites. I am also very active in social media.

And all of this is free.

I personally just don't see the value for money by joining this club.

This is just my opinion. I realize these are just superficial comments based on a quick survey of the online information available about the WBCCI. I don't mean to offend anyone, or make any comments about those who find value in joining. If it works for you, great.

Thanks.

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Left when the "any motor home by Thor" proposal was resurrected immediately after being shot down for the second time. And the proposal started in my Region.

The leadership at the time did not give a flying rat's patootie about the wishes of the membership.

Maybe different now but I am no longer interested.

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You nailed it! We were members of WBCCI, Pensacola unit for a couple years. The "embeded" hiarchy never even took the time to know our name. They were too intent on only associating with their exclusive little groups.
Those two years were a waste of money, and a lesson that we won't forget.
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Mike,
You nailed it! We were members of WBCCI, Pensacola unit for a couple years. The "embeded" hiarchy never even took the time to know our name. They were too intent on only associating with their exclusive little groups.
Those two years were a waste of money, and a lesson that we won't forget.
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From what I'm understanding, is that the international group, is so far removed, and so out of touch, as to be inaccessible, to acknowledge the smaller units, other than to accept its money?
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