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Old 02-26-2008, 10:46 AM   #15
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6 Days of this event is $285?????
You will be attending the annual conference of an international organization. Many of these sorts of conferences run a week or less and have fees in this range - and you have to arrange for your own motel room at those. This one provides parking and minimal camping support during the event.

Think boondocking and parking rather than full hookups. There is enough water to handle basic needs and enough electricity to keep the battery charged. Your biggest problem will be waste disposal. The honey truck comes around once a week but that still means you are going to need to be conservative in water use. You may be able to dispose of gray water but make sure you find the rules for this before you do anything.

Due to the correlation between I'Rallies and record hot spells with the ongoing whimpiness of the modern campers, 30 Amp electrical capabilities have become rather more common. That is still an extra fee option as many ol' timers and cheapskates have other means to handle the heat.

All the facilities are prepared and laid out by volunteers using WBCCI equipment or rentals. That is a reason why it really helps to be reasonable and to do your part. The instructions about the equipment you need to bring are in your packet and you also need the attitude for "we are all in this together so let's make it work!"

When you have a thousand or so RV's gather together, you have a severe and significant need for organization and structure. The WBCCI has developed customs and methods to make these events their own special experience over the years. Yes, it can be a bit of a reminder of Army days - but then the Army has similar problems. Rather than complain, bitch, and gripe (which is your right just as in the Army ;=) ) I suggest observing, learning, participating, and, even, volunteering.

Many of those who get the most out the I'Rally are those who chip in and make it happen.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:49 AM   #16
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yes they are vehement about that along the daisy chain, though it means you have to run down the lane and turn off the main and everyone's water to connect and disconnect and they want 5/8" diameter hose or you will get fussed at. I place an additional one with shut-offs to my hose to the Airstream.
You can play their game and make up a nice PVC valve with hose fittings in the 1 inch size. Attach that at your connection to the Y and they can't say anything. The inside diameter of the 1 inch valve is greater than 5/8's of an inch hose.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:29 AM   #17
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So with 1000 A/S trailers that all look similar in the dark, how many confused people do you see wandering around looking for their trailer, possibly knocking on the wrong door? Just curious.
Sorry for the hijack...
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:39 AM   #18
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The dog and I have headed over to the wrong Airstream in the light of day even at smaller rallies! It was funny watching Orie try to find the door when we spent the night at the Airstream dealer's...this one, this one...lol (He's not much of a bloodhound, is he? And I am not very unique!)
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:39 AM   #19
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Just a side topic.....has the next few years hosts been announced? 2009 and 2010???
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:54 AM   #20
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2009 is Wisconsin. We plan on attending. I think 2010 has been slated but I haven't looked ahead that far.
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Old 02-26-2008, 12:08 PM   #21
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2009 is Wisconsin. We plan on attending. I think 2010 has been slated but I haven't looked ahead that far.
Where exactly do you know? Are they not listed anywhere? I checked over at wbcci.org but only have this years listed....
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Old 02-26-2008, 12:14 PM   #22
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Where exactly do you know? Are they not listed anywhere? I checked over at wbcci.org but only have this years listed....
2009 - Madison, Wisconsin
2010 - Gillette, Wyoming

The kick-off is always at the International Rally previous and the location for the following year is usually announced there as well.

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Thanks Shari & Carol....

Must commit at least one to my Calendar...

We were thinking of Bozeman - but at 1980 miles one way - we just don't have the vacation time to fit it in....
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The dog and I have headed over to the wrong Airstream in the light of day even at smaller rallies! It was funny watching Orie try to find the door when we spent the night at the Airstream dealer's...this one, this one...lol (He's not much of a bloodhound, is he? And I am not very unique!)
Yeah but Carol, Recipe may have been involved too...
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Actually since Louapalooza Lou-zers are so very different from one another, I haven't gotten lost there yet Ralph, but no thanks to you and the bottomless 12 ounce red cups or are they 16? LOL They do pack a whallop!
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The dog and I have headed over to the wrong Airstream in the light of day even at smaller rallies! It was funny watching Orie try to find the door when we spent the night at the Airstream dealer's...this one, this one...lol (He's not much of a bloodhound, is he? And I am not very unique!)
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:59 PM   #27
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... having visited the Georgia Rally last year for a day thought we would go to the one in Bozeman this year................this is a lot of money to be spending in order to be with like minded folks.............when the only like mind is that we share our love of A/S............Not much else....
hi dk'

these are keen observations and merit some though.

the event in georgia utilized more typical rv camping facilities, than usual.

most internationals DO NOT happen in rv parks.

typically (like bozeman) they are make-shift city/camps, set up in CROWDED open space near some 'convention like' facility...

for meetings and card playing and vendor displays.

MOST of the folks who need to be there are away from there 'streams during the day, in buildings and meeting places.

it is essentially boondocking with 'trickle hookups'.

and yep, it is significantly extra for 30 amp electricity...

because YOUR 6 days added juice costs help cover the electricity used by the 500 volunteers.

some of whom will have been on site for 3-5 WEEKS+ before the event, but paid the same fee u will for just a few days.

NO THEY DON'T FEED YOU. in fact almost NO ONE even sets of a grill or eats out of doors...

they do schedule 'breakfasts' at local restaurants for units, intraclubs and officers.

and they offer morning card playing or group knitting and evening music or beauty contests.

the bozeman site is reported to have a MAX capacity of 1000, which in wb' spacing means the grounds are better suited for 1/2 that.

for new comers, the MOST IMPORTANT BIT OF INFORMATION in this thread is right here...

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You will be attending the annual conference of an international organization....
this is NOT a camping event. it is an annual legislative conference.

they toss in some happy hours, displays and vendors, and entertainment...

just of break up the routine schedule of MEETINGS...

IF you are an elected deligate, officer, past officer or some other sort of bobble head...

bozeman is THE venue.

if you are looking for camping, campfires, cookouts, vacation amenities, and typical rv fun, think again...

this IS NOT like a good sam rally or fmca rally or small local campout.

IT IS A BUSINESS/CLUB CONVENTION, similar to the vfw or any trade convention, or a political convention held in large cities...

instead of sleeping in motels/hotels the attendees sleep in rvs...

most of the field trips, and small group fun stuff happens weeks before the OFFICAL INTERNATIONAL kicks off.

by the time the lowly regular members show up, most of the excorts and volunteers are played out.

montana is a wonderful place to vacation, rv and summer camp.

but i sure would NOT waste precious vacation time, fuel money and free wheeling liberty...

just to PARK with other a/s owners, like sardines....

think about it and READ the first timers guide.

and ask THIS QUESTION...

would a CAMPING trip really need a first timers guide?

and the 500$+ rally fees can buy lots of good nights in nearby rv park, with amenities...

for MOST a one day field trip INTO the international rally compound is plenty.

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Thanks to ALL for the responses.......

As much as I really enjoy my A/S, I find that perhaps for me, the socialization factor is not what it is played up to be.............

2Air............I want to thank you for your PM and factual between the lines information. Not being a "joiner" or follower I am finding that the organized events are perhaps not for me.

I have been riding BMW motorcycles since 1968. As such, have been to countless rallies and social events for BMW and other M/Cs. For those not into motorcycles, BMW is very much like the A/S in the RV world. A mechanical device that just goes and goes. The old ones can be repaired by most anyone with simple tools and common mechanical sense. The newer ones are plagued with technical aspects that are beyond the scope of even a lot of dealers.
That said...........BMW Rallies are no longer friends and comrades that have weathered the trials and troubles to get together. More like a trade convention with owners patting themselves on the back because they own a BMW and the brand labeled accessories. For an old timer this is not enjoyable.

I suppose I am finding the same in the A/S world. A national rally, trade show, and local rallies that are for folks sampling which imported cheese or micro brew is the supreme. Going to their thread here in this wonderful forum to ask about sights at their rally and how obstructed they are by trees, boulders, etc gets an answer in return about how they will get someone who specializes in guiding you INTO hazards to help you park. haha Arent we cute.........Then back immediately into discussion of Porsches, SUVs, and brie......

So I stay away.

I find much the same here, and on the BMWMOA forums............I bite my tongue here, because I, at the same time find some wonderful people that are helpful, gracious, and kind..........

It's kinda like going through the bucket where I keep my old nuts, washers, bolts, screws, and fastners that I inherited from my grandfather...........Ya have to look and look. It's there, what you want, but takes a lot of scrounging to find the nut that works.

So, where is this early AM essay going? Honestly, I do not know. Perhaps just a confirmation of thoughts from an ol guy who has learned that there are way to many agravations in life to overcome as it is. Why spend good money, time, and energy to go looking for more. The payoff isn't worth it...........So........what to do?

Write this, possibly post it, and go where I please. Find fellowship with like minded folks that are in any campground that I have ever pulled into. Discover that little known high country ntnl forest campground and fish to my hearts content. Visit with the spirits of the Anasazi throughout 4 corners. Spend time parking the trailer in front of my friends/relatives suburban home doing the cousin Eddy thing.

To each his own...........I really hope this hasn't been offensive; but marchin to my drum is more important to me than just showing up to be part of. Finding like minded people is all about belonging to that particular herd. If I need to be with a herd...........I go down to the pasture and watch my kid goats frolic...........LOTS MORE FUN...............God Bless.......Dennis
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