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Old 02-25-2008, 05:26 PM   #29
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I supposed that. Just doing my part to try to add some silliness to what seems to be a serious topic for some. I had enough large, efficiently run, highly organized events in the military to last me a lifetime (aka - hurry up and wait). Besides, learning new rules requires short term memory which is in - ahem - short supply at my age

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That's it! Pure genius, you hit the nail right on the head, these older folk just forgot we already did the MOHO vote! And all the rules are like a label maker, marking the steps to find their way.
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:35 PM   #30
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Hey fellows, I've been a WBCCI member for over three years and I've only seen situations involving a bull pen at one Regional Rally. Of course I've never been to an International Rally, but the point is that some of these posts make it sound to the uninformed that this is common practice throughout the organization and it just isn't true.
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:59 PM   #31
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Had we judged the WBCCI in its entirety based on our first rally experience, we likely would have never come back. The reaction to our numberless vintage trailer, our two Labs, and sum total of our combined age being still ten years less than that of the average rally attendee, combined with the fact that we arrived...horrors!...after work on a Thursday was quite a bit less than welcoming. And then being "fined" a quarter each by the "badge marshal" while we were getting unhitched for not yet having our WBCCI badges on...and then being told that we had better not bring any alcoholic beverages to the happy hour (not that we intended to do so, but I guess being in our late twenties/early thirties made us appear frat party-worthy)...let's just say it was a miserable experience, and we swore we'd never go back.

But eight years later, we can reflect that was by far the worst rally experience we've ever had, and if we hadn't stuck with it because we're stubborn, we would have missed out rallies and friends that have become high points of our Airstream experience.
This was a very interesting read. I am not a member of WBCCI, and now more than ever, I do not intend to be. Oh sure, we briefly batted around the idea of joining when we first got our Airstream, but stopped short when we saw pictures of the unit's rally. I mean no offense - really - but when I see pictures of people coming together and having knitting and crocheting contests, I have to politely bow out and and say "No Thanks - never ever."

So after reading about being fined a quarter each for not wearing the badge (while unhitching no less!!!), being informed not to take any alcoholic beverages to happy hour (??) , and reading about flag bans on 4th of July, dress codes, I now have a very sour taste in my mouth.

I was reading a thread started by PeeWee entitled Airstream/WBCCI "To Have Fun" - I think all executive members of this group ought to read it.

"To Have Fun". Great concept. But it's not like that for the most part, is it? It seems to be run by power-hungry bureaucrats who thrive on making rules infinitum.

I know not all units are run like that - some are probably alot of fun. And I know that rules are required for very large rallies without standard campgrounds. But the KISS rule would apply nicely, wouldn't it? Why fine people for not wearing their badges? Why limit the amount of flags, or where to affix them? When I read a WBCCI newsletter about concerns of membership declines, I'm not surprised.

I'd be curious to find out what new Airstreamers would think of all this...

Cheers, and happily camping with no rules,

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well here is another view on this escorted parking issue...

which only happens and BIG events, that are NOT really camping or rallies as we know them.

it may be the BEST service provided at a BIG wb' sardine can event...

imagine taking 500-1000 trailer/trucks and moho/toads...

and parking them 5-7 FEET from each other, on grass without ANY road markers or real signs...

just some painted grass, a few plastic flags and sticks.

then have them divided by unit or rank or pets or 3/30amp/genset...

but all these divisions are abstract like 'blue 1' or 'red 4' or 'yellow 3'

the add hundreds of folks walking around or riding in golf carts, paying NO ATTENTION to trafffic....

get the picture?

the parking escorts are one of the FEW essential committees needed for this size event.

sure they could do two shifts, but...

-cocktail hour would be interupted...
-most of the folks already parked are driving their suvs, 4x4s or edsels around INSIDE the camping areas then...
-or leaving to go to DINNER about this time...
-after dark bad things happen while parking!


the bull pen/staging area is important for these massively large circus events...

it should have a power or generator access for 'late arrivals'...

having been to the international and experiencing this almost fubar...

i really don't want folks pulling in without escorts...

even those already parked and unhooked, driving around in vehicles are a HAZARD!

arrival and docking really is dangerous, and it is NO small challenge getting these blind, deaf, shaking folks tucked in...

otoh there is early morning bridge play, prayer meetings and speed checkers to start the day!

keep in mind these BIG SHOWS are not about camping as we know it...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f289...gon-23910.html

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Old 02-25-2008, 07:29 PM   #33
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I think DARK is a good time to stop parking. If you arrive after dark, you will have to wait until daylight to be parked. Stopping at 4 pm is too early...Then again, I think dinner at 5 is too early. Dark is a little after 6 this time of year, the parkers could work from 8-1, and 1-6, in two shifts.
Most adult-oriented establishments I have visited (taverns, lounges, bars) have happy hour from 5-7 pm. Dinner could be at 8, entertainment at 9, and everything breaks up to go back to their trailers at 10. Still early, but reasonable.
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:05 PM   #34
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I'm okay with parking organizers. But, yelling at the people who didn't know about the bullpen? That's simply uncalled for. More to the point, though, that sort of information should be provided to rallygoers ahead of time so that they do know the situation.

If I'm ever at a major rally, I'll volunteer to help park campers after dark. I'm sure we'll be able to pull it off without upsetting the ghost of Wally.
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I'...If I'm ever at a major rally, I'll volunteer to help park campers after dark. I'm sure we'll be able to pull it off...
guess again.

first volunteers for parking committee are arranged MONTHS in advance.

second they often LOCK the main gate after parking stops...

and have a volunteer GUARD with a CB at the other open gates...

i'm not supporting the entire process, and was YELLED at many times in salem...

but folks pulling in with an UN-ESCORTED trailer, are ALWAYS escorted right back OUT...

i've seen the wb' police in action!!!

them grumpy old ex mp-z and retired sheriffs, n their gun tote'n first ladies don't mess around...

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This was a very interesting read. I am not a member of WBCCI, and now more than ever, I do not intend to be. Oh sure, we briefly batted around the idea of joining when we first got our Airstream, but stopped short when we saw pictures of the unit's rally. I mean no offense - really - but when I see pictures of people coming together and having knitting and crocheting contests, I have to politely bow out and and say "No Thanks - never ever."

So after reading about being fined a quarter each for not wearing the badge (while unhitching no less!!!), being informed not to take any alcoholic beverages to happy hour (??) , and reading about flag bans on 4th of July, dress codes, I now have a very sour taste in my mouth.

I was reading a thread started by PeeWee entitled Airstream/WBCCI "To Have Fun" - I think all executive members of this group ought to read it.

"To Have Fun". Great concept. But it's not like that for the most part, is it? It seems to be run by power-hungry bureaucrats who thrive on making rules infinitum.

I know not all units are run like that - some are probably alot of fun. And I know that rules are required for very large rallies without standard campgrounds. But the KISS rule would apply nicely, wouldn't it? Why fine people for not wearing their badges? Why limit the amount of flags, or where to affix them? When I read a WBCCI newsletter about concerns of membership declines, I'm not surprised.

I'd be curious to find out what new Airstreamers would think of all this...

Cheers, and happily camping with no rules,

Michelle
We feel the same way Michelle. Simplicity is what camping should be all about. All that I have read just solidifies our intentions to not attend rallies. I guess some of the locals could be fun and maybe we will try one in the future.
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We feel the same way Michelle. Simplicity is what camping should be all about. All that I have read just solidifies our intentions to not attend rallies. I guess some of the locals could be fun and maybe we will try one in the future.
Please don't confuse WBCCI Rallies with Forums Rallies. The former are stodgy, the latter are fun.
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Excuse me, but you have, apparently, never been to an El Camino Real Unit rally.

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Excuse me, but you have, apparently, never been to an El Camino Real Unit rally.

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OR a New England Unit rally. We have so much fun at our rallies that I need a vacation after returning from one.
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but folks pulling in with an UN-ESCORTED trailer, are ALWAYS escorted right back OUT...

i've seen the wb' police in action!!!

them grumpy old ex mp-z and retired sheriffs, n their gun tote'n first ladies don't mess around...

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Come join us at a Four Corners Unit rally. We'll show how it's done right.
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I am a new member of the FCU (very new) and have been on the forums for about 2 months. I am still trying to get my A/S road worthy so I can take my first camping trip in 28 years. The only info about the WBCCI is what I have read here so I can't talk about them with any experience. What I can do is talk about what the WBCCI means to me.

When I see an A/S with its numbers proudly dsplayed it reminds me of the simpler times in the 60's and 70's. All the campgrounds and KOA's that we stayed at moving from one Air Force base to another. I believe that I have been through at least 25 of the lower 48 states and saw untold amounts of sites. I think of how my kids have missed out on the thrill of camping and fishing but that is something I am about to resolve. Somehow when I reached adult hood I became wrapped up in working and being able to support my large family (2 girls, 3 boys, 3 dogs and 3 rats) and lost sight of what was really important for raising kids and that would be breaking away from the TV, XBOX and computer games to get out and bond with them out in the great outdoors.

When I bought the A/S I was so excited about getting one with the numbers on it because I felt it to mean that am now apart of something grand and wonderful. I couldn't wait to call HQ and see if I could keep the numbers ( thankfully they said yes) and get new ones so I could "shine it up".

I can't talk about any of the negatives or positives that I read on here but I can tell you that the WBCCI is built upon thousands of souls present and past and the underling tone is "just get out and do it, follow the stars, see what the outdoors has to offer".

In order to preserve this legacy for my children to enjoy and hopefully their children it is important for me to be a supporting member and participate in idea sharing and voting on issues to hopefully help the membership be happy with their own club. In about 14 years my youngest should be out of the house which will allow me to have the time to (hopefully again) take a more active central role in the club. I don't know if it is broke or not, but if it is broke then I think it is up to us to fix it not throw it away (just like my TW).
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I hope I didn't bore you but that is how this newbie feels.
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