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Old 02-24-2008, 10:55 PM   #15
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Yeah THEY do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CB radios blaring for 7:30 a.m. announcements They turn them up for all the ones that don't have them or is it that they can't hear that well? It's a thriving little metropolis silver town. Really worth doing at least once. Lots of older people like Tom said. It was a shock my first time. Lots of younger people too, but more seniors than I have ever seen in one place before.
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:00 AM   #16
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"I personally parked people at 10pm. I think it would be better to have two shifts, the early parkers and late parkers,"

I think the idea of shift parking is excellent. Pretty unrealistic to expect non-retired members and those traveling distance to arrive before 4 pm. Once the layout is there, it's just a matter of showing folks to their slot.
Once in action, the volunteers do a great job.
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:51 AM   #17
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Having traveled to dog shows for years in my 67 Caravel, I feel I can have an opinion on this even if I've never been to a rally. Most shows have an entry of 2500 dogs or more, so there were usually several hundred MH and trailers and the shows were usually at fairgrounds. The most trouble we ever had was when the club had "parkers" and strick rules about parking your own rig. People who tow these rigs all year long can often have a good sense of where they need to park. I personally was always happy to get to a show too late to be "parked" by someone with a little too much power over the crowd. I once got in a discussion with an off duty officer with a gun and cigar who really had no idea how to park a trailer. For some unknown reason he thought I could park 40 ft of truck and trailer in a 20ft space and he was the law on the subject. I wasn't sure if he was going to pull a gun on me or let me park where I needed to. What my point is, sometimes there are just too many rules and too little fun.
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Old 02-25-2008, 07:31 AM   #18
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What my point is, sometimes there are just too many rules and too little fun.
The more trailers in a spot, the more rules are needed to keep things orderly. Unfortunately the rules carry over to all rallies, no matter how large or small. Many of the current WBCCI people are former military, so they tend to "over-rule" the situation. I personally feel that (1) I managed to get my compined 50+feet of rig there without wiping it out, and killing anyone, so I should be able to find where I am to park, if you just point to it and say "over there".
and (2) military precision looks good from the air, but I have seen arial photos of that rally, and you honestly can't tell I moved that flag 4"...
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Old 02-25-2008, 07:42 AM   #19
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As a Charter member of the Four Corners Unit but someone who has not been a member of any club previously, I still am totally unaware of the rules. I have no interest in debating the necessity for rules.

Having departed Tempe early enough to make happy hour with the FCU we happened upon a collossal traffic jam that resulted in going 9 miles in three hours. After breaking free of the jam, we headed out the Meteor Crater only to get lost once.

So what? you might ask. Not only did the "on duty" staff at the Meteor Crater camp ground come out looking for us but made contact and guided us to our assigned space. Upon showing up at 11:00PM, one of the FCU folks got up with a flash light and saw to it we got settled in for the night.

I think I'm in the right unit... good thing. worst thing is to show up somewhere after a series of tribulations and have your welcome be "go away!"
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:11 AM   #20
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Had we judged the WBCCI in its entirety based on our first rally experience, we likely would have never come back. The reaction to our numberless vintage trailer, our two Labs, and sum total of our combined age being still ten years less than that of the average rally attendee, combined with the fact that we arrived...horrors!...after work on a Thursday was quite a bit less than welcoming. And then being "fined" a quarter each by the "badge marshal" while we were getting unhitched for not yet having our WBCCI badges on...and then being told that we had better not bring any alcoholic beverages to the happy hour (not that we intended to do so, but I guess being in our late twenties/early thirties made us appear frat party-worthy)...let's just say it was a miserable experience, and we swore we'd never go back.

But eight years later, we can reflect that was by far the worst rally experience we've ever had, and if we hadn't stuck with it because we're stubborn, we would have missed out rallies and friends that have become high points of our Airstream experience. But every WBCCI rally volunteer - whether they're a parker or on the sanitary crew or dishing out breakfast the next morning - needs to remember to treat every interaction they have like it's someone's first with the WBCCI, because it just may be, and the organization may be judged on that single interaction.

I can't begin to tell you how many people we've talked to who had a bad first rally experience and never came back to the WBCCI. It's unfortunate, because the WBCCI needs them, and they may be missing out on some wonderful experiences in the organization.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:35 AM   #21
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We just returned from the rally. We took a bottle of hard liquor to the happy hour no one said anything I guess they were too busy polishing it off! I walked around most of time without the badge and ribbon. Ignorant I later bought another badge for $2.50. One night I walked clear through the main hall with 900 people there w/o the ribbon and badge and only one person asked me about it. That person I later went to their 34' and talked to them about there generator hookup as they were running it for AC out of their pickup. The flea market they asked me to go get it, I think it was stuffed under a coke can somewhere. We were in the handicap area. You would be amazed! 70 year old and up volunteers came to set up the water, electricity, and gray water hookups! Their military experience is really evident. I have no complaints. Being totally out of step with "carbon footprints" we had loaded tanks early in the experience. So we thought we would dump at the end at "Fun & Sun" thinking it would be just a mess trying to line up to use the dump station, but the setup at the rally was great we had no wait upon leaving dumping our tanks, all volunteers with hoses. A great bunch of people! I just pray I am in as good as shape as they are in my 70s! The last morning we were woken by a jogging mass of Marines as they were singing in cadence at 6am!
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:30 AM   #22
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One time I was traveling with my parents and we pulled into an Airstream-only campground around 9 p.m. The host said, "Running a little late tonight?" We laughed, then realized he was serious.
Our most recent forumsrally two of us pulled in at 11 PM. We were #2 and #3 to arrive and we were expecting one in the early AM. Nobody cared.

Thats the way it should be.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:44 AM   #23
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The cutoff time is set because the parkers are volunteers, and usually not young ones. One year all the parkers quit in the middle of the rally, and several of us non-official people wound up parking rallygoers. I personally parked people at 10pm. I think it would be better to have two shifts, the early parkers and late parkers, but I guess the powers that be think if you aren't there by 4 pm, you aren't going to be there.
It is the same issue with meals or other activities, if you arrive on time, you are 15 minutes or more late, and all the food is gone.

I agree - two shifts for a rally that large seems reasonable. Unless WBCCI is a retirees club only, the old guard needs to wake up to the fact that the Airstream community is changing. 10PM seems to be a good cutoff. 4PM is ridiculous.

Had I been told to "go to the bullpen", I would of bullpenned it right out of there never to return, all the while re-thinking the benefit of WBCCI membership (as I continue to do now while reviewing all the different discussions on WBCCI).
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:02 AM   #24
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The bullpen isn't terrible if you show up with water and battery power, but at Salem it was over 101 degrees and I showed up just after parking was over. I heard there was electric in the bullpen at Perry, nice feature. They actually wanted me to pull to the side the next day and wait until parking was over at 4:00 again, to see if I could get in the 30amp section even though there was plenty room available in those sections, but it had to go through "channels" (woman with a clip board) to clear it. I settled for 3 amp to get out of the heat and pop my awning and settle in before the heat of the day and run the new fan I went to buy along with the overheads.

This was Lansing parking.
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Wow! I guess I should keep the practices of the renegade FCU to myself. The fun we have on rallies seems to have the potential to be violating a lot of rules. Good thing though. Had we been confronted with the rules and consequences as noted here, we would be happily running solo and have missed all of the cool people that show up at rallies.
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:01 PM   #26
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Wow! I guess I should keep the practices of the renegade FCU to myself. The fun we have on rallies seems to have the potential to be violating a lot of rules. Good thing though. Had we been confronted with the rules and consequences as noted here, we would be happily running solo and have missed all of the cool people that show up at rallies.
Donna & Mike,

I have only seen or heard about these procedures at the large international and regional rallies. I have not seen them at any of the unit rallies which I have attended. We have attended unit rallies for three different Region 12 units.

There was a parker at the only VAC rally we attended in 2002, but again it was on a field, not an established campground with daisy chained water.

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Donna & Mike,

I have only seen or heard about these procedures at the large international and regional rallies. I have not seen them at any of the unit rallies which I have attended. We have attended unit rallies for three different Region 12 units.

There was a parker at the only VAC rally we attended in 2002, but again it was on a field, not an established campground with daisy chained water.

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Unit rallies are usually based at a commercial campground, everyone knows in advance where they are parking, and there is available 30 amp power at all site, unless noted well in advance. This is not so for the International rallies, which have to use unusually large areas to accomodate the rigs.
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Donna & Mike,

I have only seen or heard about these procedures at the large international and regional rallies. I have not seen them at any of the unit rallies which I have attended. We have attended unit rallies for three different Region 12 units.

There was a parker at the only VAC rally we attended in 2002, but again it was on a field, not an established campground with daisy chained water.

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Bill,
I supposed that. Just doing my part to try to add some silliness to what seems to be a serious topic for some. I had enough large, efficiently run, highly organized events in the military to last me a lifetime (aka - hurry up and wait). Besides, learning new rules requires short term memory which is in - ahem - short supply at my age

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