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Old 01-22-2008, 07:54 PM   #43
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We are making our plans for the year now as well - any information would be great (that is set in stone)
Check out the latest thread on the upcoming East Coast VAC Rally. http://www.airforums.com/forums/f289...lly-38888.html
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:16 PM   #44
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I live in Charlottesville Virginia and know the Blue Ridge Parkway inside and out. Need feedback or someone to brainstorm with? Let me know. I've got a great spot with a lake and a beach in very tucked away place right off the Pkwy!
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:45 PM   #45
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I live in Charlottesville Virginia and know the Blue Ridge Parkway inside and out. Need feedback or someone to brainstorm with? Let me know. I've got a great spot with a lake and a beach in very tucked away place right off the Pkwy!
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Bizcamp, they already have a site selected and the rally planned. See this thread.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:53 AM   #46
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Not interested in attending anything that conflicts with Bozeman.

If it's an official WBCCI VAC rally I'd be surprised if you get the official nod of approval for anything that draws members away from Bozeman.

Then again, if it's just four days of travel from VA to Bozeman you still might capture some Bozeman attendees with a fast paced 'hold onto the seat of your pants' caravan to Bozeman.

Me -- I'll be in Bozeman by the 22nd...

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Like we care about the official nod. I wouldn't go to International if they paid my way and paid for the diesel. The good think about fuel going up is that it could bring an end to International and change how the club is run for the better.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:03 AM   #47
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Have not been around for a while....but just could not help seeing the posts here...


so a bit of food for thought.....



....and how many WBCCI members are there in total???


....and how many on average attend any given International in the past say 5-10 years

.... Yes that is right - not 100% eh? So the remaining percent - what you think they would just sit at home and say oh hum I'm not going anywhere cause it might conflict with International.

...and really do we think WBCCI is that narrow minded to shut down all the other events.

...is it not about participation that joining a club is all about - no matter what the event. "variety" pack sweeties and reality. Not everyone can be everywhere all the time - but the more events you have the MORE MEMBERS YOU HAVE PARTICIPATING!!!! Keeps them in the club so that when that day comes when they can participate in an International - they just might go.
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Old 05-28-2008, 06:47 PM   #48
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Maybe I've got more of an organizer's mindset than an attendees mindset. Maybe people should have a real problem with that instead...

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If you mean a mindset wherein a small group of people tell a larger group of people when they can have a WBCCI activity then I would agree you have an organizer's mindest. If you mean building an active grassroots cadre of attendees', then I would disagree with you. But I don't see it as a real problem in that most of the people I camp with don't pay attention to the former mindest anyway.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:06 AM   #49
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Well, I can say this, with my tow vehicle costing me $35 for every 100 miles I drive just in fuel cost, there's no way I'm even considering traveling to Bozeman, I'd be looking at over $3,500 in fuel expenses! I would be more likely to fly there and tent camp in a primitive campground. I'm glad I'm pulling a lighter weight vintage Tradewind rather than a heavier model or something, for which I'd need a bigger tow vehicle and more gas expense, plus the added vehicle payment.

Until we get another vehicle paid off or our house paid off, there's no way we can afford to travel very far or for very long, we have to get back so we can work more! We do want to travel alot when we get out of debt enough. With a house payment, vehicle payments, all different kinds of insurance, taxes, everything is just getting too high. A few years ago, we were living well below our means and had extra, over the past year or so business has cut way back and I can't seem to be able to make up the difference anymore.

I'm just glad we live in part of the country where all kinds of good camping is real close by! We still plan to camp, just not very far away. I like WBCCI events and especially our local unit but over all Wally Club is geared for retirees. I hope to be among that number some day but in the mean while, it's a struggle. WBCCI needs to take that in account if they want to appeal to "younger" (I'm over 40) AirStream owners who still have to work. Now I know you retireees out there will say "but we're on a fixed income and we can do it". Yes, I acknowledge that you all are doing it but lets face it, you got more than just social security going on for you, (last I checked you can't buy an airStream with SS) and most likely your house is paid off or you sold it so you can full time, which ain't bad, that's our eventual goal.

I think Wally Club needs to focus more on REGIONAL RALLIES which would make it easier for more people to attend. For those who can really travel, they can go to other regions.
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:29 AM   #50
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As gas prices go higher the WBCCI becomes more and more relevant. We've got more than 650 annual rallies all over north America, and that number will start to grow as more and more people will restrict their travel and stay closer to home. New units should actually start sprouting up as a result ...
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I agree, this is the time for local unit members to be really promoting membership. I for one, feel it more relavent belonging to the WBCCI because of the local unit rather than belonging because of the national club. Of course it helps that my local unit had the determination to purchase land years ago and build their own camp, which is really the main reason I like belonging to WBCCI, it has something real to offer. I realize not all local units can do this but I feel it's important for the local unit members to have as many rallies involving their AirStreams as possible! They can reserve sites at a campground, find a land owner willing to allow camping on their property or even a nearby Scout camp may rent campsites out in the off season.

When I was in Boy Scouts, our troop, for decades, had a reputation as having the highset member retention and highest percentage of those who made it to Eagle Scout in the entire region. I feel it was due mostly to the fact that the troop's leadership was stringent on going on at least one campout a month, year 'round. I remember having a lot of pride belonging to that scout troop. (Still do) And we can instill a pride in AirStream owners belonging to the WBCCI, affiliated with a local unit!

The local WBCCI units have to have involvment, give the members a reason to actually use their AirStreams. I am so glad I am a member of WBCCI because having a monthly rally in which to go to and see friends and actually use our trailer. If we had bought Some Other Brand, it would probably just set in the back yard for all but one week a year, and that's the worse thing you can allow your AirStream (or any brand) to do, is to just sit! And that my friends, is one major reason I am proud we decided to buy an AirStream!! (A vintage one at that!)

To put it layman's terms, what WBCCI needs is a "campmeeting revival"!!, which can start at the local unit level.
WOW! I feel I preached so hard, I need to get me an icecream!!
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Old 05-30-2008, 05:03 AM   #51
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I just read all that above... boy am I glad Paul organized a VAC rally for me to attend. Leo, some of us belong to the WBCCI for one reason. The reason is it is contingent on being able to join the VAC. Paul has put together a great rally with excellent events geared toward the vintage crowd. No one is trying to upstage or divert or subvert the WBCCI or the glorious International. The dates were picked so that those vintage units without AC could attend and still be somewhat comfortable. If someone is going to International, well they will go.
Also rallies local to the unit? The WDCU has members all over the USA, where would local be?
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I don't think people are trying to knock you off your opinion 65GT just that your opinion is not the only one out their.

You have every right to list all the reasons why you think the date and a buffer back off clearing of dates should also not be booked - to allow as many people to international as possible.

The other peoples opinions are just as valid. We all know you are not knocking the other events and how well they are being run - cause well that would just be rude right

I think my comment earlier was more - that there is more than the International. But not disputing that it is the largest and most prestigious event the WBCCI runs for its members. And when the time comes for anyone to make the decision to attend the International - various events booked in the vicinity are not going to deter their decision. When they are ready to go they will go.

It is sort of like the concept of a City - shutting down all the swimming pools because the big pool is having an International event. Keeping in mind that there are only so many spectator seats available. Thus all the daily participants would never have a chance to get in anyway...so why loose the revenue and participation by shutting all the pools down - what out of respect for the organizing volunteers - just don't get it

One also has to remember the decision to go to an international will most certainly cut out several other events in that season regardless of their dates. Time off and expense are more of the barriers people face than other events being booked in the area of the International Date.

Save from those members that use the summer as their full time travel - Rally to Rally (like hotel to hotel on a big long holiday) The extra attendees at the rally are going to be "local".....Someone asked what local would be - what would be that magic mile marker from an International - hard to say on a grand scheme - I am sure a statistician could figure out the average mean radius of past participants to the International...taking in to account the proximity of other units and their size as well. - Take out some of the variables like officers and organizers volunteers and full timers or repeat attendees - that make the event part of their schedule. Just compare the stats from "First Timers" from several Rallies - and compare to the various locations N/S/E/W.

One day I hope to make it to an International Rally - not exactly sure why at the moment - as 1000's of rigs lined up like sardines is not my idea of a big expense - but that could change - when our interests change.

In the interim we enjoy reading all about the Rallies, the People and love the varied opinions. They all give such insight to what this club is all about.

No one should ever feel they have to defend their opinion here....
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:34 AM   #53
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Those two events are crowding the International, and the International, where there will be more Airstreams than anywhere else in 2008, is where *I* would rather be.

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I'll be doing the East Coast and will be hosting a New England Unit Rally the weekend after July 4th. Otherwise I'ld be going to Saratoga. Some of our members are going to NY. Prehaps I should moan and groan about that. Frankly I think it is great people have a choice. Bigger is not better. I was to International in Vt. Gave up on the whole WBCCI thing after that. Went to a "forum rally" the next year and transferred to the NEU. Then there is how our officers were treated at International 2007. The petty political ....... of some of the long term members and lack of b.... of others makes the organization at that level a joke, IMHO..
Frankly if someone comes to my July Rally rather than International they are more likly to have a quality experience. I would have done July 4th but the event in questions is the following weekend. Welcome to Sailfest 2008, located in Downtown New London, CT
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In my mind... the WBCCI requiring that the "International" be the only thing going for a week and a half period in the middle of prime camping season is no way to properly treat it's members.

This is also no way to attract new members. The policy should be to encourage as many opportunities for folks to enjoy themselves while using their Airstreams as possible.

If the organizers of the "International" feel that the attendance numbers need to increase, then they need to do everything in their power to make it an event that in the minds of their members is a "can't miss" event. Making it the "only" event going will do nothing to attract attendees... it will only alienate the membership.
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So basically it is a courtesy that you are extending to not schedule events in conflict with the International. I think that is commendable. However the other side of the coin is that these rallies are not personal invitations to friends they are a major trip and expense for more than not. Competition in functions should spur planners to make events better, less expensive (you would think going to a club event would cost less as in discounted prices and not more than alternative and individual accommodations) more interesting and the place their target group wants to be. I am thinking that the amount of members that are going to another event at the same time that "might" have gone to International is relatively few. In fact I would think the events are planned for those who had no intention of going and would or could not. Making the Internationals appealing for the amount of time and expenditure one would incur is the real challenge and the necessary component behind the entire attendance issue. If it were so enticing and so valuable in the eyes of the participant they would go at all costs. And there are those that do that and feel that way. But for the majority of members I think most will only try it out if it is close by. It just doesn't have enough draw to have people sacrifice that much to get there. And that has little to do with some thing else going on. The Internationals are not able to compete so you don't stop the competition to rectify that. You improve the Internationals. And this competition I speak of isn't "the other event", but it is the competition of ones life and resources in time energy and dollars and how they want to spend it. You can only do so much in life and you have to make it count and not feel like you are squandering it. It would be a moot point if everyone saw the value in it and not require an action of loyalty to fall into the system as it is. That's not the kind of members the majority can afford to be these days. Guarantee and deliver the time of their life and you would have waiting lists to sign up.
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Steve -- Where does it say the the WBCCI requires anything in the way of scheduling events around the International? As a local organizer, I would personally like to give those International Rally Organizers as much help in attracting the biggest possible attendance that they could get by not scheduling something in that time frame. I extend the exact same courtesy to our Region 2 Rally where most MetroNY members did not attend. There's a pretty big difference between required and a courtesy...
Whatever terminology you care to use... you are suggesting that scheduling another rally during the time of the "International" is discourteous. I am saying that suggesting that, is an insult to the members who are not able to attend the "International" and would like to have alternatives. This attitude, that the members need to sacrifice for the benefit, or in consideration of the event organizers or club leadership is what it driving this club down. The club is for the benefit of it's members and the leadership/organizers need to keep this in mind if they would like the club to flourish.
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