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Old 01-18-2010, 09:12 AM   #29
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:46 AM   #30
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For Petes Sake!

How much money can you really save by shutting down a State Park? That is not even a band aid. Have the law makers cut THEIR PAY, maybe cut back on THEIR perks? I mean of all the crap a state spends money on, they pick parks. The stupidity of it makes me want to weep. States aren't funding higher education any more, parks are being closed. Are their ANY adults supervising government?

OK, rants over for now.
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:50 PM   #31
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We went for a drive to Patagonia on Sunday, and decided to take the 8 mile drive to the ghost town of Harshaw to check out possible camping sites.

It's about 3 miles from Patagonia to the National Forest boundry, the road is paved until the road to Harshaw branches off to the right at about 6 miles. After the turnoff the road to Harshaw passes through some private property (clearly marked with no trespassing signs) The Harshaw townsite is marked with a sign, however there is little visible remaining of the settlement.

There are a number of places to pull off along the road to camp, but most are not large enough for a very large group. Near the entrance to the NF there was an area with 4 or 5 trailers in it.

I think the best bet for a group would be at the Harshaw townsite, where there are three areas fairly close together that could probably fit a total of 10-15 trailers. The largest is between the townsite and the hillside cemetery, the other two are on either side of the road as you approach the townsite from the north.

The general rule in the Coronado National Forest is that camping is permitted unless expressly prohibited.

Here is a link to a google satellite photo of the site, the white spots to the left are in the cemetery, the hilly terrain is not obvious in the image.

Harshaw, Santa Cruz, Arizona - Google Maps

Re Arizona State Parks: The AZ Legeslature is a bunch of idiots, and the voters have gotten what they deserve. If closing the parks isn't enough, they are raising fees on March 1st, yes even for the parks that are closing, 20%-100%!!!
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Looks like this is starting to shape up, anyone have ideas for a rally avatar? Ghost town theme? Equinox? I want to get this on the calendar pretty quick. Im thinking March 20 (equinox) near the ghost town- first one who arrives stakes out the the new "town site". If anyone has a beef with this plan needs to speak up soon.
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We went for a drive to Patagonia on Sunday, and decided to take the 8 mile drive to the ghost town of Harshaw to check out possible camping sites.

It's about 3 miles from Patagonia to the National Forest boundry, the road is paved until the road to Harshaw branches off to the right at about 6 miles. After the turnoff the road to Harshaw passes through some private property (clearly marked with no trespassing signs) The Harshaw townsite is marked with a sign, however there is little visible remaining of the settlement.

There are a number of places to pull off along the road to camp, but most are not large enough for a very large group. Near the entrance to the NF there was an area with 4 or 5 trailers in it.

I think the best bet for a group would be at the Harshaw townsite, where there are three areas fairly close together that could probably fit a total of 10-15 trailers. The largest is between the townsite and the hillside cemetery, the other two are on either side of the road as you approach the townsite from the north.

The general rule in the Coronado National Forest is that camping is permitted unless expressly prohibited.

Here is a link to a google satellite photo of the site, the white spots to the left are in the cemetery, the hilly terrain is not obvious in the image.

Harshaw, Santa Cruz, Arizona - Google Maps

Re Arizona State Parks: The AZ Legeslature is a bunch of idiots, and the voters have gotten what they deserve. If closing the parks isn't enough, they are raising fees on March 1st, yes even for the parks that are closing, 20%-100%!!!
Paul...So after the pavement ends, it's about 2 miles further to the Harshaw townsite? What's the unpaved road like? Is there someone we need to talk to about camping there?

Weather permitting, we are planning on going down to Patagonia Lake State Park this weekend, and will try to also check the site out.
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Count me in if I can work around my teaching schedule (Mar 1-5 and Mar 22 so far). I'd like a spot from which I/we could find some good photography locations. Gilbert Ray campground is near the Arizona Sonora Desert Museum (museum, zoo, and botanical garden rolled into one).

Not in AZ, but Anza Borrego State Park in nearby CA might be a good location and the wildflowers might be in full bloom then. Also, Joshua Tree National Park is not far away either. Just a thought or two.
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Weather permitting, we are planning on going down to Patagonia Lake State Park this weekend, and will try to also check the site out.
Let us know what you think; it's one of the junkiest parks we've ever been to, I.O.O.
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Let us know what you think; it's one of the junkiest parks we've ever been to, I.O.O.
Mike...I meant at that we'd try to check out the Harshaw site for this potential rally... We're interested in seeing what it's like...

We have been to Patagonia Lake State Park before... They have made some improvements lately...new rest room/shower buildings... Granted, some of the electrical/water sites are kinda tight, but they have a nice dry camping area. We have not been there when it's really busy and I think that would detract.
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Paul...So after the pavement ends, it's about 2 miles further to the Harshaw townsite? What's the unpaved road like? Is there someone we need to talk to about camping there?

Weather permitting, we are planning on going down to Patagonia Lake State Park this weekend, and will try to also check the site out.
Terri, The road is good, as dirt roads go, wide enough so you don't have to worry about a stand-off if another vehicle pulling a trailer is coming the other way. It's probably best that you check it out before hitching up if you're not used to traveling on back roads.

Also, if you are used to staying in developed campsites, the townsite area will probably seem disappointing. It certainly won't permit an orderly assembly of Airstreams, but that's what boondocking is about, adapting to, and enjoying undeveloped places.

It is public National Forest land, no need to ask permission to camp, there is, however a 14 day camping limit in the Coronado NF.

It's a pretty area, with an interesting history too, there should be some nice walks in the surrounding hills, and good chances to observe wildlife.

The weekend of the 20th will display a crescent moon, and I'd probably be tempted to bring along one of my telescopes and enjoy a little astronomical observation in the dark sky.

I've only been to Patagonia Lake SP once in recent years, and not to camp, but to test ride a new Zodiac boat and motor before heading off on a road trip into Mexico.
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Paul...thanks for your assessment... I'm OK with undeveloped campsites for boondocking...we've done it in Quartzsite! So that's not a problem...just want to make sure the road there is reasonably OK... We will make an effort to check it out before hand... Terry
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Tucson report...Cloudy skies and windy...the wind chimes are getting a real work-out...supposed to be at its worst late this after/evening and night...the weather advisory is supposed to end Friday AM...Hope it's all said and done by then!

Is the storm going to end your weekend recon?

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Rodney... We are still planning to head our Friday AM, weather permitting, for Patagonia Lake State Park for the weekend...and while there, to check out the Harshaw townsite closer... We will not have a very good internet connection there (unless something has changed since our last visit to the area) so we may not be able to report until next week... Will keep you posted. Here's to clear skies and no wind!
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Terry,

You may get to see a little snow down there, there's a winter storm watch for the next weaker, but colder storm due on Friday night and Saturday morning, according to the latest NWS winter storm watch which includes Santa Cruz county:

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.....A SECONDARY WINTER STORM IS EXPECTED TO BRING ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL FRIDAY EVENING AND INTO SATURDAY MORNING........SNOW LEVELS WILL CONTINUE TO FALL TO BELOW 5000 FEET FRIDAY EVENING BEFORE BOTTOMING OUT NEAR 3500 FEET EARLY SATURDAY MORNING.
I'm not sure of the elevation at Patagonia Lake, but Harshaw is 4,850'
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You may get to see a little snow down there, there's a winter storm watch for the next weaker, but colder storm due on Friday night and Saturday morning, according to the latest NWS winter storm watch which includes Santa Cruz county:



I'm not sure of the elevation at Patagonia Lake, but Harshaw is 4,850'
We decided last night that it wasn't looking too good and when we got up this AM after having rain most of the night, it was still very overcast and windy, so we did not go. Just as well...today was cold and blustery in Tucson...it would have been worse there, soggy and maybe even snowy...so... We will try to get out mid-week if we can get away, or next weekend...when the weather is more agreeable.
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