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Old 03-01-2008, 07:36 PM   #99
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Well, well, there are other crazies in the airstream world!

Just stumbled on this post when researching a first trip to the playa. We have not finalized our plans as yet. There are logistic problems with two long trips from Ohio to South Dakota and Nevada, but it is in our sights.

We should be spending a couple of months in our 28' practicing for retirement this year. Hope to add Burning Man to our list of annual pilgrimages.

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Old 03-08-2008, 01:53 AM   #100
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Allen & Deborah & friends will be at Burning man with our 27' Overlander and 24' Argosy with full awnings and a 20x20x20 canopy that requires a 40x40 space to set up. We would like to camp near Craig and Mary... maybe pods of groups could establish corner boundries and work in as later friends appear. We plan to come monday or tuesday.

this year we are bringing roomba robots to clean the trailers... Take that you dust bunnies.

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Old 03-08-2008, 08:20 AM   #101
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Hi Allan,
Please review all the previous posts, paying special attention to post #72 and #90.

You are offering up your 20x20 tent as center camp, yes.

Who is Craig and Mary?

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Old 03-08-2008, 11:08 PM   #102
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Craig and Mary are here in the Walla with Allen and Co. The Air Forum name is ChopperPilot. We are registered to go - 3rd year for us at the Burn.
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"The" canopy.

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A photo of the canopy...
if i attached it right...
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:42 PM   #104
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Well CP and AP, thanks for clearing that up .

You mentioned in a PM that the shade structure withstood 70 MPH winds, so I think it would work out just fine. Thanks for offering it up as center camp!

If you could arrive on Monday that would really help securing the perimeter.

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Location, location!

Let's take up the notion of "where" we want to hunker down. Here's an overhead image from 2007 (full image is available from Flickr, about 7 MB):

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You can see that Burnstream Court was approximately 3:15 and about 40% out on the spoke (in the 6th lane of 13). My feeling was it was far enough out to be "away" from the loud performances taking place on the inner lane, yet enough in the the thick of things to feel the flow of people and art cars within the community.

If you take a close look at the image, you can see that the 6:00 area in lanes 10-13 and the outer lanes from 2:00 to 3:00 are very sparsely populated. In fact, however, the organizers believed the layout was "full" and allowed late arriving individuals to start camping outside the ring in the 8-10:00 area.

If I had my choice, I'd pick something near the 3:00 spoke around lanes 7-8. I liked seeing the traffic on a main spoke (3, 6, and 9). My second choice would be almost at the edge along 2:00--quick access to the playa and the art and maybe a little bit more out of the hubbub.

I'm curious as to why the outer lanes around spokes 5:00-7:00 are so sparsely populated. It's near the entrance, so maybe more dusty? You'd think some people would like the easy in, easy out available there. Maybe that only matters on the big departure day.

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New topic------------------other encampments:

The following are details from the overhead. You can see that people had various schemes for making camp and maybe for putting up a protective boundary, from just lining up RVs together to radially from a center tent, to forming a line around an open square.

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Note the formations here, one at the outermost corner at 10:00 and the other at the outermost corner at 2:00.

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(a special note--the vehicle at the very corner of Black Rock City, just outside the outer ring, right at the top of the left photo, is a 2007 Bambi that arrived late from Atlanta. Nice couple--thye didn't have a clue there were other Airstream groups.)

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I like the idea of being near 3 or 9 being careful to avoid being immediately adjacent to the major restroom locations. The prevailing winds seemed to be from 4 or 5 towards 10. So it seems like the leeward side of 3 or 9 is would be ideal. That makes it 8:30-9:00 or 2:30-3:00? With that said, anywhere is good for me. Last year we stayed at 9:30 and kelp. Given a choice, I would like to try the opposite site this year for no particular reason. I observed a lot of dust the first couple days in the 5-7 zone due to entering vehicles. I think it is a better "late" area after the traffic has slowed down. And yes - we are trying to set up for a Monday arrival. Allen
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Old 03-10-2008, 08:39 AM   #107
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Allen, good input. Burnstream Court was upwind of porta pots, but close by, like one lane over and other side of the 3:00 spoke, making them on a bearing of 10 o'clock, perfect for the prevailing breeze.

Any of you old heads know if the porta pot locations are mapped and available to the great unwashed before we show up? Last year there was a street name map available a few weeks before the event, but I don't remember if there was much else on the map.

The good thing is that we aren't going to "nail" down an exact location before we show up, just take what's available in the neighborhood when we show up. We can add "put porta pots on appropriate bearing from selected spot" to the checklist.

The other thing I want on the checklist is "put several lanes between selected spot and any speakers bigger than a VW."

As far as the layout, I'm thinking of using [twenty some odd] tall [wooden] stakes, something that can be seen from a driver's seat, maybe 5 feet tall with a flag at the top. Something that can be pulled out as soon as the tow vehicle is in position. Any old heads see a problem with this?

Anyone got ideas on boundary marker? If "police tape" is a no-no, brightly colored rope comes to mind, but it would be a not negligible expense. For a minimal 170 x 170' square that's almost 700' of rope. I think we will wind up needing about 240 x 170' for all the attendees. We might also need to outline the eye shape (is the eye shape the consensus?) and the outline of the 20 x 20 tent location--more rope.

Also need two volunteers for two community evaporation ponds (2x4 perimeters and plastic sheets). For pot luck we need serving tables. I can bring two sturdy folding tables (2x6').

Did anyone else lose their subscription to this thread? Did it get moved to another forum? Do we need to PM all those who have signed up to get re-subscribed?

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Old 03-10-2008, 09:36 AM   #108
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Incredible! As a product of the 60s, I think it would be totally cool to be a part of something like this.
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Old 03-10-2008, 10:29 AM   #109
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Have we decided how many trailers will fit? And do we have someone to organize a second outfit it we get overflow?

Perhaps an organized list of Names, Airstreams &(sizes) and Items each is bringing will help organize.

Try this.

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No problems with the thread here...just been away a lot rallying.

Thanks for coming up with all the great planning ideas and for sort of taking the lead on that Zep. It's a tough job but someone's gotta do it. Keep the input coming. There's some Patron in it for you upon arrival.

And speaking of arrivals, last year I was there early Monday to Monday so I will be happy to help with whatever.

I liked the location of BSC last year too...close enough but not too close.
Point noted about the car sized speakers. Bring industrial strength ear plugs if you are interested in sleeping at all.
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Reservations list IMPORTANT

see post 97

I have been receiving the RESERVATION PM's I requested in message #97 from burners. If your name is not listed here, see LINK
you don't have a reservation.


We are currently at 17 reserved rigs.

Our layout design can handle about 20 rigs.

After 20 rigs, the wait list will start. If enough wait list burners sign up perhaps a ANNEX or CAMP II can be formed.

My beret is off to Zep, for his outstanding research assist, and input!

Burn out.

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We have a 5x7' plastic frame that uses an 8x10' tarp for an evaporation pond. I am happy to bring it and set it up. Last year it we evaporated about 20 gallons of water in it. We have a plastic 3'x6' table for community use that we will bring. Lets see - cereal, raisins, bottled water, large amounts of propane, laser lights, subatomic accelerator - yep. We're set. Got Milk?
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