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Old 11-13-2006, 09:51 AM   #29
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Here is a link to a really fascinating bit of research about these tanks done by Battelle labs. There are pictures of the manufacturing process, fire tests and discussion about dot certification and a market analysis.
What I found most interesting was page 7 that reads:

Power of US DOT Exemption
Same as the CFR that is for which the exemption is granted
•Exemptions are published in the Federal Register as law

•DOT exemptions have the statements:
"The safety analyses performed in development of this exemption only considered the hazards and risks associated with transportation in commerce.The safety analyses did not consider the hazards and risks associated with consumer use, use as a component of a transport vehicle or other device, or other uses not associated with transportation in commerce."
•This is NOT a limitation of the exemption –it is a limitation of 49CFR
–Therefore LiteCylinder and Ragasco cylinders do not have DOT approval for consumer use nor do any Worthington Cylinder or Manchester Tank cylinder.

This appears to imply that it is to to ship these tanks "in commerce" (i.e. to a store or whatever), but not for customer use (i.e. on our trailers).

Interestingly it says the same thing about Worthington cylinders (by which I assume they mean aluminum tanks). However, because Worthington's have been on Airstream's for decades, they have to be approved for consumer use. Maybe I just don't understand what they are trying to say here.
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Old 11-13-2006, 09:55 AM   #30
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Very Practical

For the newer AS with tank covers - it does not matter what color they are, they would be covered up anyway. What's neat is the prcticallity of these, say you were to go on an extended vacation to "somewhere". These would facilitate the ability to quickly check the volume of fuel you have left. If you were going to a rally or "SHOW" where appearance was important then replace with your nice shiney AL tanks. I don't know about you but I have 8 tanks of various sizes on my two Airstreams and in my garage. Just sorta have them - don't know why...........
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Old 11-13-2006, 05:53 PM   #31
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Tank info

I Eailed the tank people and asked if the see through tanks were R.V. legal.

They replied by sending me two drawings of propane tanks.

O.K. folks I need some info.

I noticed the bottles come in sizes i.e. 20# or 30#. When I got my A/S I was told the tanks were seven gal. So what is the relation between gallons and #'s?
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Old 11-13-2006, 06:02 PM   #32
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I emailed them as well, with some specific questions regarding their suitability for RV ue. It will be interesting to see the response, which I will post here (if they respond).
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They also are discussed in this thread.
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:31 PM   #34
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I saw those last year, but I think it was back when I was having trouble starting a new thread, so I never got to post it. I think they are ugly, but seeing what is actually in the tank is pretty cool. My tanks need to be re-certified, so I was looking for new ones. My propane guys told me I'd filled my current ones for the last time.
My PO was told that by a propane guy. It turns out there was nothing wrong with the tanks, the theory is that the guy was hoping to wind up with two nice aluminum tanks. The next propane guy re-certed them no problems.
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:48 AM   #35
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I asked if and when they would have regular 30# tanks. Below is the reply they were very quick.

Thank you for your inquiry on the lite cylinders. I am sorry to inform you
that at this time it is not in our plans to produce a 30# cylinder at least
for the next 18 months, and it could be longer. If there is anything else I
can answer for you please let me know.
Thank you again.

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Old 11-14-2006, 05:38 AM   #36
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Goin camping, Propane is 4.2# per gallon at 60*F. I prefer to have mine filled by gallons, not pounds. I have had my 30# Airstream tanks filled on a scale to 30#, and saw only 6 gallons on the meter. Other times they fill to the OPD stops, and I get over 7 gallons.
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Old 11-14-2006, 06:37 AM   #37
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Don't let the "plastic" get you down. You can paint them to look like polished aluminum. Just get some Alsa MirraChrome paint. http://www.alsacorp.com/products/mir...a_prodinfo.htm
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Old 11-14-2006, 09:07 AM   #38
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Goin camping, Propane is 4.2# per gallon at 60*F. I prefer to have mine filled by gallons, not pounds. I have had my 30# Airstream tanks filled on a scale to 30#, and saw only 6 gallons on the meter. Other times they fill to the OPD stops, and I get over 7 gallons.
Thank you. Now I know what I'll be talking about.
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Their response re Canadian Approvals

Got this today via email:

National Energy Equipment Inc is the exclusive Canadian distributor for the Lite Cylinder product line and we have a branch in Port Coquitlam BC.

We don't expect the Transport Canada approvals to be fully completed until early next spring -- as it stands right now, we can not sell this product in Canada until these approvals are finalized.

The retail price is expected to be $90 to $100.00 - depending on where the US dollar goes over the next 10 months -- in the USA - the retail price is currently $75 to $80.00 ----

Brochures will not be available until after the approval process is finalized. All Lite Cylinder BBQ tanks will have an OPD valve installed as a standard feature.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions.

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Old 11-14-2006, 11:07 AM   #40
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Largest size they have that I can use

Seems that the 20# or 5 gal. is the largest size I can get from them at this time that will fit on the rig.

I believe I'm gonna get a couple.
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Exclamation Fire Safety

A firefighter friend of mine was kind enough to pass this link on to me. He agrees that they are safer in they have a much less chance of failing catastrophically. They call it BLEVE, or Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion. It has nothing to do with the DOT certification, it just futher tests the limits from a firefighter's point of view. The article notes that the connection of the valve to the tank seems to fail earlier then a steel/aluminum tank.

They need to know what they are dealing with and how it is contained. So should something bad happen to one of these tanks, attached to your fine AS or not. Please make the responding firefighters aware that the tank is composite, not steel or aluminum, as the fire suppression technique seems to differ.
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A firefighter friend of mine was kind enough to pass this link on to me. He agrees that they are safer in they have a much less chance of failing catastrophically. They call it BLEVE, or Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion. It has nothing to do with the DOT certification, it just futher tests the limits from a firefighter's point of view. The article notes that the connection of the valve to the tank seems to fail earlier then a steel/aluminum tank.

They need to know what they are dealing with and how it is contained. So should something bad happen to one of these tanks, attached to your fine AS or not. Please make the responding firefighters aware that the tank is composite, not steel or aluminum, as the fire suppression technique seems to differ.
Thank you very much for this posting.
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