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02-10-2011, 08:23 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1984 27' Sovereign
Central
, Oklahoma
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 108
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Refueling and the Refrigerator
I came across an comment in an RV magazine recently that I am curious about. The writer was expressing concern about refueling his tow vehicle while the refrigerator pilot was burning. Has any one ever thought about this?? I have refueled a hundred times without concern...... but, should I be?
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02-10-2011, 08:33 PM
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Always learning
1972 29' Ambassador
1962 19' Globetrotter
1951 21' Flying Cloud
Central
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,881
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Not if you're at the diesel pump. I always try to keep the frige upwind of the pump. If that is not possible, I turn the gas off and relight it after I pull away.
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02-10-2011, 08:46 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,669
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It's something to be aware of....always. But, How many times have you smelled gas fumes while refueling with a modern pump? Yes, sometimes. If so, take action. My pilot is some 25' away from the pump nozzle when refueling. I don't shut off the fridge regularly....but....if I smell fumes, I'll take the time to extinguish the fridge. Even in the rare event YOU spill a little, you have time to get to the AS and shut down. Gas fumes have to be RELATIVELY condensed to ignite.
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02-10-2011, 09:14 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2017 23' International
Ridgefield
, Washington
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 306
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Refer and travel
The AS manual recommends that the LP be turned off during travel.
The safest mode is to not travel with the LP turned on, especially while refueling even if you do not smell fumes or are refueling diesel. You are still in the vicinity of fuel fumes and by the time you detect them it may be too late to act--e.g. turn off the LP.
Some have suggested that the pilot could blow out on a windy day/travel.
Others make certain that before travel, the refer is cold and they have stowed "blue ice" packs in the freezer and/or the main part of the refrigerator. When closed, and cold the refer should remain cold for most of the day.
Having seen severely burned people in the past, and knowing how rapidly fire can spread and destroy, I personally am afraid to use the LP in travel.
There is no "mulligan" when it comes to fire!
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02-10-2011, 10:43 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 19' Safari SE
Tucson
, Arizona
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,627
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We routinely travel with the LP gas on and the frig cooling. Our frig is on the opposite side from the gas pump (curb side). If the proximity of the neighboring pump is close to the frig side of the Bambi I am more likely to turn it off while fueling.
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02-11-2011, 02:09 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 19' Safari
GLENDALE
, AZ
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,453
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We have a marine battery switch that completely disconnects the batteries from everything. We always turn the battery switch to OFF when approaching the fuel pumps to insure that the refrigerator and all electrical items in the Airstream are turned off while fueling.
Also, we leave the refrigerator ON while underway. When towing in the Arizona heat, the refrigerator interior warms to temperatures unsafe for food storage in very short order. We even freeze water bottles and put them in the lower compartment to reduce the heat load on the refrigerator. Otherwise, interior temps can reach 50+ degrees during the heat of the day. Also, the outside fan for the refrigerator runs continuously during the daytime.
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02-11-2011, 06:52 AM
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Gypsygirl1 and Hubby
1959 24' Tradewind
Windsor
, Ontario
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 177
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No LP on !!
We USED to travel with the refer on and cooling. We don't do it anymore. While travelling across I-10 just North of New Orleans, we had a little mishap. Our '59 AS got bumped along just a little too much and the front lower panel split, and started to drag on the road. Every time we hit a bump, and there are MANY along that stretch of I-10, the panel 'scrunched' on the road. When we pulled over, we discovered that the propane line was the only thing holding the panel. The line was pulled out from the connection to the refer, and had also dragged along the road. We're sure that the next bump would have severed the line, thus allowing propane to escape, and perhaps the next spark could have caused the big bang. We were extremely lucky. We spent a couple of days making repairs and then continued along our way. We were on a four-month road trip at the time.
Now, we put a bag of ice in the bottom 'crisper' drawer at the beginning of the travelling day, and then when the refer is running when we stop, we use that ice in the cooler. It works out well, and the ice is not wasted. Not much melted ice in the drawer at the end of the day, even in Arizona. Amazing.
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1959 A/S Tradewind Landyacht 24ft (the traveller)
1952 Royal Spartanette 35ft (summer home)
1954 Pacemaker 32 ft (summer guesthouse)
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02-11-2011, 07:22 AM
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Addicted
1971 27' Overlander
Currently In: Skowhegan
, ME
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 703
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We always turn ours off just before we pull into the pump -- no if's, and's or butt's about it -- it takes all of 5 seconds to jump out and turn the tank off. We do the inverse just as we pull out of the station.
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02-11-2011, 07:30 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream - Other
2016 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Bosque Farms
, New Mexico
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,029
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We turn ours off while fueling, an action made much easier with the more recent refrigerator.
That said, we don't refuel very often with the Airstream attached anyway. If we can't make our destination of the day on one tank, then it's too far.
Lynn
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02-11-2011, 08:21 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1986 25' Sovereign
Plant City
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 228
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I always travel with the refer on. It is just to hot in FL in the summer time to do other wise. I do however make sure that it is on 12volt before moving. Before I knew of any dangers of LP while in motion I used it with no problems.
I believe that each person has their own level of comfort with thinks like this. If I did not have 12volt then I would still be using LP.
I however do not refuel with the refer on LP.
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02-11-2011, 08:44 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 25' Tradewind
Bloomsbury
, New Jersey
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 696
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fridge
OK, so if my Tradewind is hooked up electrically to the truck, the fridge can run off of 12volt/electric when in motion? I ran it on prpoane last time, and did not even think about the pilot light being on when refueling (whoops) MPJ
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02-11-2011, 08:46 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1986 25' Sovereign
Plant City
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 228
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moparjohn
OK, so if my Tradewind is hooked up electrically to the truck, the fridge can run off of 12volt/electric when in motion? I ran it on prpoane last time, and did not even think about the pilot light being on when refueling (whoops) MPJ
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Only if you have a 3 way fridge. That would be 120vAC/12vDC/LP. Not all have this option I however was very lucky that my grandfather installed this before he gave the AS to me.
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02-11-2011, 09:10 AM
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02-11-2011, 10:37 AM
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Wise Elder
2010 30' Classic
Vintage Kin Owner
South of the river
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,169
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As 2air points out the more general question on whether to leave the propane system and fridge on while driving has been discussed at great length with the only real conclusion being that a vocal 10-20% of RVers think it's dangerous and most of the rest of us seeing it as an minor, acceptable risk. The while driving concerns usually voiced involve the risks posed during a crash or when the tanks, lines, or tank tiedown components fail while driving.
The specific question in this thread, of whether to shut off the fridge while refueling, is different.
Fires caused by ignition of gasoline or gasoline vapor while refueling a car or truck at a commercial gas pump are extremely rare and are nearly always caused by static electricity discharges when the driver touches the dispenser nozzle after fueling. The other significant source is cigarette smoking while refueling.
http://www.pei.org/Portals/0/resourc...0Incidents.pdf
Despite the brouhaha there have been no reliable, confirmed reports of cell phones or pagers starting gasoline fires, and there are vanishingly few reports of fires starting from on-vehicle ignition sources (switch and relay contacts, engine running, etc). A vehicle that has been driven hard may have exhaust manifold temperatures well in excess of the autoignition point of gasoline (around 500 degrees F depending on formulation), for several minutes after being shut off.
Gasoline vapors must be concentrated in order to ignite and being heavier than air tend to sink. I do not believe there is any significant ignition risk outside the area within a couple feet the fuel filler and the area below it down to the ground.
Even in the event of a spill large enough to form a gasoline puddle it is not possible to ignite the puddle from a height of more than a few inches.
Because the burners in the fridge, water heater, and furnace are well above ground level and farther away that the exhaust manifold I don't believe they pose any significant risk while fueling.
http://www.plainfieldfire.org/PDF/Bu...or%20Guide.pdf
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02-11-2011, 11:59 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1999 23' Safari
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 230
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I always turn it off before entering the pump area. Several years ago I was toooooo close to an explosion of gas fumes! No liquid anywhere just fumes! Don't take any chances!
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02-11-2011, 02:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jammer
...The specific question in this thread, of whether to shut off the fridge while refueling, is different...
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not true.
many of those linked (and the dozens not linked) deal specifically with the 'while fueling' issue.
4 99.9% of those driving, traveling, towing or otherwise using the steam...
pausing 2 REfuel is included.
some of the titles are less specific, but the content is spot on.
there is even a poll on the issue.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f42/...road-4973.html
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f42/...sit-16073.html
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f160...ling-2015.html
there are also threads on dealing with the LP furnace or water heater.
same issues different appliance.
it's all good
cheers
2air'
cheers
2air'
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02-11-2011, 03:55 PM
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65th Anniversary CLIPPER
1996 36' Clipper Bus
Tub City
, British Columbia
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 3,309
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Gas Pump Etiquette
When fueling up:
The RULE is to SHUT OFF ALL IGNITION SOURCES.
That is not maybe!!!!
SHUT IF OFF.
The link below may save your life. Take the time to watch it. Motorhomes rules are near the end.
Dave
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