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Old 03-15-2010, 09:42 PM   #15
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Generally good information here.

One fact to consider is that it is not unlawful to fill non-OPD tanks. The OPD requirement is, technically, voluntary -- but propane dealers treat it as a requirement because their liability insurers require them to do so. People who fill their own tanks, for example, are not affected.

Prices on replacing the valves and recertifying the tanks vary with some dealers considering it a nuisance and others considering it a service they provide to their customers. Since I heat my stick house with propane and buy over 1000 gallons a year from a cooperative where I am nominally part owner, they are fairly accommodating. It may take some calling around and you might find that big cities are worst at this followed closely by natural gas production areas where everyone has their own personal gas well and/or pipeline in their back yard.

You can also replace the cylinder valves yourself, though it's a hassle, and you'll still have to get the tanks recertified. The difficult part is holding the tank stationary while turning the valve with a 3' long wrench. I have found that a piece of an old inner tube for friction, and a big ratchet tiedown work well together for this.
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Old 03-16-2010, 06:13 AM   #16
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Usually have tanks filled at a Ace Hardware in Macon, GA. They sell by the gallon. Guess I could see if they will fill the empty one. I checked prices of OPD valve for aluminum tanks and found them for $29 plus shipping. I've read the forums and am concerned $60 price may not use the "correct" OPD. Any way to ask ahead of time what valve is right for the aluminum? And how would I know the difference? Thanks. p.s. Saw the "how to" on replacing the OPDs. Applying heat to loosen old valve really got my attention! Jack
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Old 03-16-2010, 07:50 AM   #17
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Info requested...

Here is a word doc with the info you want:

Note the different lengths required for the different size aluminum tanks vs the steel ones.

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Old 03-16-2010, 08:06 AM   #18
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Thanks Steve. Strickland Oil is the only one in the Savannah area that does tank recertification. They ship them to Claxton. Saw the DT 6 stamped on tanks. Now I know what to ask for. Pulling Airstream off of Burnside Island today. Jack
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One fact to consider is that it is not unlawful to fill non-OPD tanks. The OPD requirement is, technically, voluntary -- but propane dealers treat it as a requirement because their liability insurers require them to do so. People who fill their own tanks, for example, are not affected.
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Very interesting Jammer, I had never heard that before.

Isn't there a Fitting & Hose setup that allows someone to transfer propane from one tank to another? Wonder what those cost and how they work?
Does one of the tanks have to be positioned higher than the other?
If so you could always get a current tank filled and then transfer to your non-ODP tanks.
Lot of extra hassle IMHO, and certainly not to be done without safety in mind and order. But money is tight and gonna get alot tighter so it may be an option for someone.

BTW how does the re-certification procedure work? Is it done while you wait? or do they have to send the tanks off somewhere?
Do they stamp or etch something into the aluminum to show the result passed like they do with the steel tanks?
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:07 AM   #20
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I have a liquid withdrawal port and valve on my bulk tank at home, and have a hose and POL fitting. The liquid withdrawal port and valve were on the bulk tank when I bought it, and the hose, second valve at the hose end, and POL were off the shelf. I drilled out the POL to allow a reasonable flow rate. I have a locking valve cover on the liquid withdrawal valve to ensure the safety of children and fools.

Smaller tanks, if inverted, will allow liquid to flow out the POL. I've heard of people who use a "jumper hose" with a POL fitting on each end, then invert and elevate one tank.

It is important to be sure that there are no ignition sources in the vicinity, and that there is at least a slight breeze to prevent gas from accumulating in a low spot.

It is also important to check weights and be sure you don't overfill, especially on those cylinders that lack an OPD.

In addition to the risks of fire and explosion, liquid propane boils at -44 degrees and can cause frostbite, if for example a hose blows or a tank tips over and breaks off a fitting and you get sprayed with the stuff.

Not something to be done casually but some people who understand the hazards and are careful can do it without incident.
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BTW how does the re-certification procedure work? Is it done while you wait? or do they have to send the tanks off somewhere?
Do they stamp or etch something into the aluminum to show the result passed like they do with the steel tanks?
For aluminum cylinders some places will do it while you wait since in most cases no hydro test is required.

Steel cylinders have to be hydro tested which means they have to be sent out.

The inspection date is stamped into the collar.

I last had this done with a CO2 fire extinguisher which I had used to put out a fire that was started by sparks from a cutting torch. No big deal. I think they charged $5 or something.
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I realize I will have to change the valves. What gets me is that the current valve has OPD stamped on it. I guess the "triangle" OPD is a new and improved version?
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A few valves were made before they switched handwheels. The valves are no different, but some places won't believe it's an OPD valve without the new style handwheel.
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I got quoted $35 apiece for valves + $98 labour + 15$ apiece to recert +$25 apiece to fill for a total of $248. Does anyone know where, in or around Richmond, VA I can get it done at a more reasonable price? Just bought my Airstream and am getting ready for a trip to Alaska in August.
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Will be hopefully taking AS to Macon in 2 weeks. Checked with Amerigas about recertifying tanks. Will let you know what they charge per tank. $248 sounds high to me.
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Update: Got one tank inspected, certified and new OPD valve. Cost? $58 which included 30 lb fill-up. Charged me $28.95 for valve. Thanks for all the help here. Work was done in Byron, GA at AmeriGas. Nice people to work with and they could not have been more helpful. They had a heck of a time getting old valve off. Now to use propane from other tank and get it certified too!
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Generally good information here.

One fact to consider is that it is not unlawful to fill non-OPD tanks. The OPD requirement is, technically, voluntary -- but propane dealers treat it as a requirement because their liability insurers require them to do so. People who fill their own tanks, for example, are not affected....

Sort of yes, sort of no. Individual states control the rules on LP safety, with some states being more stringent than others. The National Fire Protection Assn produces a big manual on LP safety (current is NFPA 58); states are free to adopt all, part or none of the recommendations there. I happen to live in a state that mandates all of it. Of course, states are free to come up with additional mandates not listed in the manual.

In addition, states are also free to adopt standards for licensing for fillers and others involved with propane. To fill propane in NM, for example, I must hold a valid "LP 9" license, which requires a fairly extensive test. By contrast, AZ requires no license for commercial fillers.

Bottom line: Yes, it is illegal in some states for a filler to fill the relevant cylinders that do not have the OPD.


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Update: Got one tank inspected, certified and new OPD valve. They had a heck of a time getting old valve off. Now to use propane from other tank and get it certified too!

Does Propane get Old? or better put does Old Propane have any negatives?
Is there a shelf life of propane?


BTW has it always been Propane in RV usage? Was it ever Butane?
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