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Old 04-02-2009, 04:23 PM   #1
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New Valves & Refilling 30# Aluminum Tanks

Perhaps some Canadian owners of Airstreams can reply with pertinent information and or advice.

We own a 74 31' Sovereign with 30# Propane Tanks. This coach has been in Manitoba (Canada) many years, although we've only owned it 2 years.

I have been told by a Winnipeg Propane Company that they cannot install new valves or refill our tanks because the tanks do not have TC (for Transport Canada) stamped in the collar of the tanks. DOT is stamped but not TC.

Perhaps Andy @ Inland wil read this and respond. If you are monitoring Andy - thanks for assistance regarding my recent "lock out" on the A/S. It worked and very much appreciated.

We're attempting to keep everything original as much as possible and the suggestion that we have to "buy" new tanks didn't catch my fancy!!

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Old 04-02-2009, 05:34 PM   #2
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Perhaps some Canadian owners of Airstreams can reply with pertinent information and or advice.

We own a 74 31' Sovereign with 30# Propane Tanks. This coach has been in Manitoba (Canada) many years, although we've only owned it 2 years.

I have been told by a Winnipeg Propane Company that they cannot install new valves or refill our tanks because the tanks do not have TC (for Transport Canada) stamped in the collar of the tanks. DOT is stamped but not TC.

Perhaps Andy @ Inland wil read this and respond. If you are monitoring Andy - thanks for assistance regarding my recent "lock out" on the A/S. It worked and very much appreciated.

We're attempting to keep everything original as much as possible and the suggestion that we have to "buy" new tanks didn't catch my fancy!!

Bob
I have no idea about the "TC", but I will see what I can find out, and let you know.

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Old 04-02-2009, 07:44 PM   #3
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Fill tubes are different length for aluminum tanks than steel. Most LP dealers would not be familiar with vertical mount aluminum tanks. For Canadians dealing with all-things-Airstream I might suggest calling and talking to the folks at Can-Am RV in London, Ontario.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:44 PM   #4
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Harbor Freight sells stamping sets really cheap.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:56 PM   #5
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Bob, I'd suggest that you give the Propane Gas Association of Canada a call:

PGAC - Propane Gas Association of Canada Dynamic Links
Propane Gas Association of Canada Inc. - All About Propane: Contact Information

If they don't have info that you can use, perhaps they can direct you to an appropriate source of info.


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Old 04-02-2009, 08:03 PM   #6
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Hello.... It can be done and has been done in Canada... good friends of our had theirs done in Ontario...
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I had my aluminum tank valves changed in the U.S. while on a trip. It's much easier then using the Canadian rules. They were done in a few minitues, where in Canada they had to be sent away for changing. They are up to date and can be filled anywhere.
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Old 04-02-2009, 08:54 PM   #8
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Could be that the send-away part of changing out the valves was because that facility wasn't licensed to do it. (I did the same with some elderly guests here: I couldn't fill their one cylinder because it was out of date. I loaded it into our truck, took it down to Taos, had valve installed at the right place, also had it recertified, and brought the cylinder back home to them. All was good.)

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Hello.. Our friends had theirs done and they were able to be done at one of the local propane companies
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Old 04-03-2009, 12:16 PM   #10
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Thanks all,
Lynn - as per your suggestion I sent off an email to Propane Gas Association of Canada Inc. - All About Propane: Contact Information this morning and hopefully they can explain things for us.
Steve H. - your Harbour Freight idea is right on. My luck I'd smash a thumb or finger in the process!!
The A/S Forum just has to be the greatest place to get answers and suggestions and also a good past time when idle.
Thanks again.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:28 PM   #11
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Following Lynn's advice I emailed the Propance Gas Association of Canada Inc.
Below is the reply I received back from a W. A. (Bill) Egbert.
I cannot see any Americans or Canadians having 4 Aluminum Propane Tanks on board whenever they decide to cross the American/Canadian Border and swapping the appropriately stamped tanks at the border crossing to comply with regulations. Possibly Airstream could provide us with a sticker or something we could attach to our tanks so we would be in compliane on either side of the border.
Possibly Andy @ Inland can shed some light on this situation.
Who knows, SteveH may be right on with his suggestion about Harbour Freight's supply of "tools"!!
Canoe Stream - I did email Can AM RV in London, ON. but have not heard back yet.
Does anyone know if new coaches that are being shipped up to Canada for sale have the CT - CTC stamp affixed to the propane tanks?
Bob


Hello Mr. Nairn

Thank you for your inquiry. It sounds like your refurbishing project will result in a great RV for you!

The information you received regarding your aluminum DOT cylinders is correct. Transport Canada only allows propane to be transported in cylinders built to certain specification. Cylinders marked with TC or CTC are acceptable for use in Canada, while cylinders manufactured to United States Department of Transport (DOT) are not authorized for filling or use in Canada. A similar ruling exists in the United States. Cylinders manufactured in Canada bearing the stamp CTC or TC cannot be filled or used in the United States.

In practice DOT cylinders are often filled in Canada by mistake, however, this practice is against the law.

Your only option at this point is to replace the cylinders with cylinders manufactured in Canada to Transport Canada standards. All cylinders must be requalified every 10 years, so if you purchase new ones, they will be good to go for 10 years. If you are planning on travelling into the US, you may want to keep the DOT cylinders so that you can use those when you are there. I would recommend you get those checked out by a propane dealer in the United States as DOT cylinders must be requalified every 12 years in the USA. Just remember that you cannot store the cylinders inside the RV, so you may need to load up the empty DOT cylinders before your trip into the US and leave the TC cylinder at home.

I hope this helps clarifies your options.

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Oh, boy, that really stinks. Cylinders are hardly cheap items, especially aluminum ones.

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I think the statement from the Canadian propane gas ass'n only applies to aluminum tanks. I was getting ready to cancel our trip to Canada until I looked at our tanks. They have DOT and TC numbers and the sticker is in Canadian English (for ex., "propane odour") and French, so it looks like these tanks come from Canada.

So if the valves on ours work in both countries, why would there be a problem with older tanks with new valves? Perhaps you should check with the provincial or national gov't about this.

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sounds like a border war thing to me. i bet they're the same tanks, lol.

i guess everyone that crosses the border will need to carry one of each tank?

there should be tank exchange stations at the border
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