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Old 01-21-2003, 09:44 PM   #15
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I was quoted a price of $16 per tank and made sure they knew they were for Aluminum tanks. I too will wait for the spring thaw! Going down to ZERO tomorrow night, yeeeeccchhhhhhh....
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Old 01-22-2003, 08:28 PM   #16
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Just had my two 30lb alum. Worthington tanks upgraded today. I asked the guy if he knew there was a difference between the steel valves and the aluminum ones and he said it was minimal, 3/16 of an inch or so. He said they fill them by weight anyways so it is not a big deal. By the sound of the measurements quoted on this thread the difference is a couple of inches!!

How can I tell what valves he put on my tanks???

I've got a feelin maybe he is full of it?

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Old 01-22-2003, 10:27 PM   #17
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Greetings Chas!

There is quite a significant difference. The method for identifying the valve characteristic via stampings on the handle surface can be found in the article at the following location:

WBCCI Advisory on Aluminum Tank OPD Valves

I would almost be shocked to find a dealer with the proper valves in-stock. Nearly everyone with whom I have spoken has told me to expect the valves to be back-ordered. In my case, Ace Fogdall RV is handling having my 20 lb. Worthington tanks recertified and fitted with OPDs and the estimated date of delivery for the valves is April 15 - - and these have been on order for more than three months already.

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Read the article Chas. your dealer sounds like he's not aware of the proper equipment. Remind him that it's a federal mandate to catch his attention
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Old 01-23-2003, 10:32 AM   #19
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Wow, I need to go back to school. Must be new math? 1.2=3/16???

My question to him, would be if it is so minimal, why not a "one size fits all valve?" One of his relatives must work at the tire shop, where "We don't normally balance trailer tires."
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Old 01-23-2003, 12:37 PM   #20
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OPD valves

Thanks a bunch,
I printed the advisory on valves and will check my tanks and see if I can educate this fella as well. I have ordered an new Fischer regulator/changeover valve from him and will be picking it up soon. I will be easy on him until I get my new regulator from him since he is selling them for only 75 bucks.

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Checked the OPD valves on my two 30lb. alum. tanks that I had upgraded today. Guess what? They are the wrong ones. According to the bulletin OV64 referred me to the aluminum 30's should have the 6.0 dip tubes. The propane dealer put 4.8 tubes in mine. I hope they will take my news well. It may go like Chevy Chase said in a "Fletch" movie, "It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong and I am not a big man". Some so-called experts can turn into real $#@'s when "Joe Consumer" matches wits with them.

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Source for Aluminum OPD

Did anyone find a resource for Aluminum tank OPD valves?


I have two 40 lb Aluminum tanks and I am in dire need of valves.

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Wrong Valves?

When I had my first tank done, they put a 4.8" dip tube in, which is wrong. However, when I went to have it refilled at Flying J, it only took 6.5 gallons, so it was UNDER filled. I took the second tank in, and pointed the error out to them, and they said they would correct it, and put the right valve in the second tank. When I got it back it had a 5.8" dip tube, according to the stamp. Not sure what to think at this point, but I guess if the OPD kicks in before it reachs 7.1 gallons, the tank will not be overfilled and therefore safe. I hope.
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I just checked my 2 aluminium 40Lbs, sure enough, we have the wrong valves (both bought on the road in NY, 2 different dealers: we' re stuck with them). We will fill only by weight.

But, I have a few questions:

There seem to be some numbers going around which don't match :

Pick mentioned a 5.8" dip tube, where "WBCCI ....on...OPD Valves" talk about 6" for a 30Lbs. Likewise, the valve for a 40Lbs steel is supposed to be 6.5'' but the 2 valves we've end up with read 6.4" [40Lbs alu should be 7'].
These are of course small differences, but there should be only one set of numbers. If it is supposed to be 6", then it is not 5.8" ; 6.5" is not 6.4''.

What I mean to say is: this creates only more confusion and cast doubts on any information published.

Other point:

besides Airstream, aluminium tanks are used on boats. I just checked this forum:

http://www.freedomyachts.com/wwwboar...ages/4327.html

They are as confused as us about OPD valves. They made 2 statements [true or false, no idea, their words, not mine ]:

"I took one of my ... tanks to Suburban Propane to see if the valve could be changed. They said it could, but your aluminium tank is not a consumer product, but rather a commercial product, and the law does not apply to commercial products."

Will every Suburban Propane make this statement ? My local independant propane dealer told us he checked with the Propane Association, and the law leaves a lot of leaway about filling tanks without OPD valves (may vary by State). Even if true, good luck having them filled on the road.

The 2nd interesting statement from those boat people:

"... there are two different styles of dip tubes, one made by Sherwood and the other by Manchester." You can read the long description, here is a summary:

The Manchester valve has an arm that sticks out like the shutoff valve in a toilet tank. As the tank fills up, this float rises and shuts the input off when the tank is about half full [sic].
The Sherwood valve doesn't have an arm, there is a float that rises up around the dip tube like the float on a Fluidmaster valve in a toilet. It's like the float needle in a carburetor on a gas engine. It surrounds the dip tube in the center of the tank.

2 valves makers: can that explain why we see different numbers on castings?

I hope at least this bit of info can be useful: boat supplies are another source of valves,

Good luck, we keep our "steel" valves,

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Chantal, You are right 5.8" is not 6". What I am wondering now is if the 5.8 is equal to the 6 of the different manufacturer. But, I think we are 100% safe knowing that the capacity of the tank is 30# or 7.1 gallons, and that filled to those levels it is indeed safe, or 40# and 9.4 gallons with your cylinders. I have weighed my bottles empty on a digital scale, and they are 16.5# empty.

What is ironic about this whole situation, is that the OPD valves are supposed to be used to insure that the bottles are filled to proper capacity, but in installing the wrong valves they have made the bottle more dangerous than it was before! My bottles had the thumbscrew valve that spit out liquid when the proper level was reached. So much for progress!

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Chantal,

How many days do you get from that large LPG tank?

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Great idea to weigh the bottle, but next time, if you don't have a scale, just read on the collar:

WC 71.5 W 16.5::::::: that's the weigh of your bottle
(WC= water capacity)

You are very right about the "80% screw", that was a lot safer.
I've heard that the law maker who helped pass that law, owns a valve Co. Truth or rumor, I guess we will never know for sure. !!!



John,

this is a 100Lbs we just bought. Had it on since 01/10, still running. We use a 40Lbs in 2 weeks, but we are tough !!!


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Chantal,

Mike looks like he's had the temp just a little too cold, by looking at his hat !

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