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Old 01-24-2008, 12:00 PM   #15
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What? I don't get this at all (all five Airstreams I've worked on the tanks were already a few inches forward of the shell--do you mean move them even further forward?). What am I missing?
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Hi there Zep,
Yes the tanks are mounted a bit away from the front panel, but with the added height of the 30# tanks the were hitting the panel when I first set them in the tray.
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:32 PM   #16
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If it will help, our 2002 19' Bambi came with two 30# steel tanks, so it is highly likely that switching from 20# to 30# tanks will be just fine with your 22'. Several years ago we switched to 30# Worthington aluminum tanks. The tank cover for the steel tanks fits over them perfectly even though the aluminum tanks are a little taller. We did not need to change the tie-down rod, but did change the holding bracket so that there was no need to alter the hold-down crossbar in the cover. We bought our aluminum tanks from Vintage Trailer Supply. A quick check of their website shows that a single 30# aluminum tank (without gauge) costs $159 ( Vintage Trailer Supply - Vintage travel trailer parts and supplies! ).

We use our Bambi in cold weather and have been VERY happy having the extra propane capacity the 30# tanks offer. Remember, when full, each tank weighs 10 lbs more than the 20# tanks. Sounds like a silly reminder, but it is amazing what a difference 10 lbs can make. Of course, the empty weight of the aluminum tanks is wonderful in comparison to steel.
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:52 PM   #17
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Don't beleive everything you see and hear on TV. We shoot holes in steel LP tanks all the time with our .45's. On the show you are discussing they were shooting a copper fukl metal jacket 9mm. A pretty useless round. No, it will not blow up since a large spark is needed.
I know, I know. But better have some multi-sided experiments, than no experiments at all.
I witnessed a "blow up" of commercial 500 gallons propane tank. Forklift operator didn't turn the engine off during fill up, what with leaky hose cost the fire. All that happened was popping up safety door on the top of the tank and since the liquid propane require lot of heat to evaporate, the combustion was self-controlled. Fire Dept evacuated us behind the gate and let it burn. 1 HR later we went back to work.
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Old 01-24-2008, 03:31 PM   #18
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I witnessed a "blow up" of commercial 500 gallons propane tank. Forklift operator didn't turn the engine off during fill up, what with leaky hose cost the fire. Fire Dept evacuated us behind the gate and let it burn. 1 HR later we went back to work.
And there you all stood with your hotdogs and marshmellows at home. What a waste of a perfectly good fire!
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Old 01-25-2008, 11:05 AM   #19
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I would like to see safety ratings on aluminum tanks? Aluminum cracks easily and doesn't have much of mechanical strength.
Mythbuster had a show trying to blew up propane tanks. No "street available" gun or rifle could pierce a hole in steel tank. Took Army high-power rifle to pierce it, but still didn't blew up.
Actually aluminum is quite ductile. It all depends on the alloy. The stiffer ones are more prone to cracking.
They make Armored cars out of aluminum because it will deform more before breaking than steel.
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Dear Folks,
I appreciate all the answers, photos and suggestions on new tanks and the batteries. I've copied significant items and pasted them on a "Save" sheet to review as I launch the project.

TWO IMPORTANT POINTS - - I know a little about aluminum alloys, having purchased several thousands of dollars in castings over the years as well as having my local foundry cast a replacement for the propane hold-down bracket supplied with my AS Excella. It had broken in half right through the bolt hole. The foundry owner called the alloy "junk" and made me one that he said was "unbreakable."

Well, I never again had trouble, but I learned that all "aluminum" is different, not only the alloy but in post-production "heat treatment" which toughens it and makes it easier to machine.

Another example is the aluminum used to make fire department aerial ladders, some of which is stronger than steel. In fact, there has NEVER been a structural failure of an aluminum aerial ladder while dozens of steel ladders have failed in the last 20 years.

New York City had TWO steel aerial failures within 12 months about 8 or 9 years ago. (Improper set up and overloading, but they DID fail while the aluminum alloys used for this life-hazard application has greater "toughness" and less tendency to yield under stress.

As to "expensive" comments, isn't that an oxymoron when talking about anything to do with an Airstream? With a new 22-ft International listing at more than $50,000, a couple of tanks and a cover seems like an incidental expenditure. If you're trying to do 5 nights with the heater on and the outside temperature in the low 30's or less, THAT eats up a LOT of propane as I well know from experience.

The last time I ran out of propane at 1 a.m. and 28-degrees, I went looking for a motel room which cost $149. At my age a night of shivering can be the first step to a downward slide from which you don't recover. (I only got to be this old by learning that being cautious means you'll never have to criticize yourself for being foolhardy.)

I mean, does anybody else carry a 406 Mhz Satellite Emergency Locator Transmitter when they go fly fishing 100 yards from a public road? I back that up with a VHF radio about the size of a cigarette pack that has the aircraft emergency frequency pre-programmed. I can call any airplane within 5 miles overhead and also give a rescue helicopter my exact position in case the ELT's GPS signal is off by more than its specified 30-foot radius. Total cost: $925. Value in case of broken leg or heart attack: PRICELESS.

Any of you guys who are over age 65 ought to at least know these options exist. Frankly I can't understand skiers and hikers getting "lost" in the winter wilderness which results in mobilizing hundreds of searchers when this technology exists and is so inexpensive.

All ELT's are registered with NASA so they know WHO's is in distress and what your medical conditions are, as well as WHERE you are within 30-feet. An ELT or PLB (Personal Locator Beacon) weighs 14 oz. and the new 406 Mhz. models are picked up by a satellite within 10 minutes, whereas the old system might be picked up twice in 12 hours.

Anyway, that's what I mean by being "cautious." As a US citizen and taxpayer you're paying for the standby teams that will provide worldwide emergency response to a life-threatening situation. I don't think $925 total (or $600 just for the ELT/PLB) is too much to pay to join the system.
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I mean, does anybody else carry a 406 Mhz Satellite Emergency Locator Transmitter when they go fly fishing 100 yards from a public road? I back that up with a VHF radio about the size of a cigarette pack that has the aircraft emergency frequency pre-programmed. I can call any airplane within 5 miles overhead and also give a rescue helicopter my exact position in case the ELT's GPS signal is off by more than its specified 30-foot radius. Total cost: $925. Value in case of broken leg or heart attack: PRICELESS.
Actually I carry one (406 PLB) everywhere I go. Even in the airplane which has only a 121.5/246 ELT.

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All ELT's are registered with NASA so they know WHO's is in distress and what your medical conditions are, as well as WHERE you are within 30-feet. An ELT or PLB (Personal Locator Beacon) weighs 14 oz. and the new 406 Mhz. models are picked up by a satellite within 10 minutes, whereas the old system might be picked up twice in 12 hours.
That is NOAA not NASA and the call will come from Scott AFB in Illinois.
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My 'ol "Squaregosy" is set up from the factory for either 30 or 40lb (optional) tanks. I'am lucky,they even have gages mounted on 'em.
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Just remember, the 30# aluminum tanks are taller than the 30# steel tanks.
Hey Artstream,your avatar is toooo cool!!! If they ever have a "best avatar" contest,ya got my vote!
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:43 AM   #24
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Threaded rod too short

We too are installing new 30# tanks. We're replacing the badly rusted steel 30# tanks that our trailer came with. As mentioned earlier in this thread the tie-down rod will be too short if you are upgrading from 20# tanks.

Well...we are changing from steel to Worthington aluminum and our tie-down rod is too short. Due to the over $600 investment in tanks I had hoped that we could buy one of Lewster's locks http://www.airforums.com/forums/f287...k-36720-2.html but as it is, I can only catch about two threads on the wing nut.

I once read about this situation in the forum before but I cannot find it. I used the search feature, I promise
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threaded rod coupler, McMaster Carr had them last time I checked
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...I had hoped that we could buy one of Lewster's locks http://www.airforums.com/forums/f287...k-36720-2.html but as it is, I can only catch about two threads on the wing nut.
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You can buy a rod coupler at Home Depot, as well as a length of threaded 3/8" (I think that's right) rod. You'll find out, however, that since you've got just a smidge of rod length available, when you put on the rod coupler, it will be too high. You'll need to cut something. I don't vouch for the mechanical properties of the generic HD rod, but if you use it, you should attach it at the bottom with bracketing nuts, rather than drill a hole through it. I've seen some posts where even the OEM rods tend to break right at that hole.

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We too are installing new 30# tanks. We're replacing the badly rusted steel 30# tanks that our trailer came with. As mentioned earlier in this thread the tie-down rod will be too short if you are upgrading from 20# tanks.

Well...we are changing from steel to Worthington aluminum and our tie-down rod is too short. Due to the over $600 investment in tanks I had hoped that we could buy one of Lewster's locks http://www.airforums.com/forums/f287...k-36720-2.html but as it is, I can only catch about two threads on the wing nut.

I once read about this situation in the forum before but I cannot find it. I used the search feature, I promise
We use a simple aircraft cable and lock system to safegaurd our tanks.
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I ran into the same situation on my 75 TW when I switched to the aluminum tanks. I found that the shaft had another hole that worked perfectly for the tanks. Remove the pin at the bottom of the shaft, which is not easy to do. move the shaft to the next hole and install a new pin.
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