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Old 04-22-2014, 09:01 AM   #61
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When it's just mayonnaise, mustard, ketchup and pickles in the fridge I don't even run the fridge while traveling.
There's more risk from eating that warm mayonnaise than from the LP catching on fire.

At a service station my TT refer flame is some 20-30 feet behind my Ford diesel's fill spout. It's highly unlikely any flame is going to ignite the gas/diesel pump. I think this risk is being over stated and I like the additional insurance I'm not propagating any food-borne illness. So, I keep my refer on and my food cold.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:36 AM   #62
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ok, at this juncture it is may be worth mentioning what is very much well known by the field of psychology...I am not a psychologist by training but have consumed a few books that touch on the subject of various cognitive biasis, heuristics, etc...

My point here is to acknowledge that when it comes to an extremely complex science of epidemiology of risk and trying to approach your daily life and avoid various low probability events, we use all sorts of mental shortcuts....intuition is the term often used....the psychologist daniel kahneman calls it "system 1 and system 2"....with system 1 being our sort of highly efficient auto pilot...while system 2 rejects intuition and seeks out facts, data, and anaylys is to guide the conclusion.

Almost none of us can say we make logically consistent well thought out statistical based science based decisions about all sorts of risks, many thatare entirely avoidable....we just are not generally wired that way and oursystem 1 is quite powerful and effecient (for good reasons).

We have our intuitions always working to assess risks and react "on the fly"...subjective notions, biasis, heuristics are all well known to GREATLY affect our perceptions of something like risk....these cannot be dismissed when thinking about such matters as they probably matter to most folks more than statistical data.

As such, it is not at all surprising that many of us make logically inconsistent decisions....lets say turn our propane off which carries lets makeup a number....0.002% risk in your lifetime of harm....it stands then to reason that any and all risks in our life that are equally easy to avoid with equaleffort that are 0.002% risk or higher would be avoided without question....otherwise we would be logically inconsistent.

But none of us are sitting around with our calculators figuring this stuff out...and I am not suggesting that we should in most cases....we all must keep our sanity....our system 1 is highly efficient and actually does a pretty excellent job of avoiding obvious risks or even less obvious ones, but once we get to the level of very small stats...you start getting into some of the territory of the subjective influencing the decision process.

All of us I suspect choose to avoid various low probability events in our lives, and accept on the other hand other equally probable risks or worse yet,accept risks that are totally avoidable that are extremely higher in probability.

These facts should not be surprising....and that is just fine....

Leaving the propone on while in transit constitutes some element of risk….for many of the “common sense” reasons discussed….those reasons are perfectly plausible and likely improbable. Avoidance of that risk is reasonable. Pointing to the hypocrisy of that person? Folks better be prepared to have that finger pointed back at them because almost no one is innocent of this flaw.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:40 AM   #63
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There's more risk from eating that warm mayonnaise than from the LP catching on fire...
Turns out this old homily about mayo is totally wrong. I used to believe it, too, until an Army veterinarian (and we all know the Army is totally nazi about their food services) told me that mayo is actually a bacteria killer and that lunch meat covered in mayo is safer than lunch meat left out on its own.

Bizarre. Mayonnaise alone is too acidic for bacteria to grow in it. So put it on the shelf with ketchup. Ick. Not ick to ketchup, but definitely ick to warm mayo, even if it is safe.

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Old 04-22-2014, 09:43 AM   #64
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I am more concerned about my cat being injured in a collision than the trailer catching fire or getting sick from eating warm mayonnaise- there isn't a significant temperature drop in the fridge on an hour long trip on a 60 degree day, but a. 9 hour trip on an 80 degree day...
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:43 AM   #65
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wait huh what what..my micro bio teacher in college spoke at length about contaminated potatoe salad...oh now im off to google and ill have to send an email to him, hahahaha
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:45 AM   #66
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This is Killing Me

I find this thread quite amusing. Here we are, once again, debating a topic that has been run into the ground. In this one though, folks are talking about "statistics" and how you should dismiss these and accept those all the time not offering up any real studies on the topic. Why are there no statistics on trailers bursting into flames because they ran with the fridge running?

Then the discussion turns to the fact that there is "some" risk in running the fridge and many people choose to avoid this risk by packing extra ice boxes, freezing food ahead of time, packing the fridge with blocks of ice and so on.

Someone used the idea of "common sense" and got blasted for doing so. Well, think about this in the general scheme of the discussion. If the risk is indeed very low when the fridge is running, why would you act on this by turning the fridge off while at the same time totally ignoring other "low risk" possibilities? Tires blow, lightning strikes, hail falls, hitches fail, accidents happen and yes, trailers do roll over. People have died and yet we ignore these issues and focus on turning off the fridge. Common sense tells us that all of these are very low risk concerns. We are careful, we maintain and inspect our vehicles and then we drive down the road and have fun. Being attentive to risk is one thing but fixating on the minutia can really induce a lot of stress.

To each his own, as everyone points out, but I will stick with common sense to see me through.
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Point is:
Running with fridge on-
Short trip, mild day- no-
Long trip, hot day- yes-
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:47 AM   #68
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"Despite its reputation, mayonnaise can reduce food spoilage."

oh man, hahaha, I love finding out how wrong I was....that professor was a previous food inspector as well....

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Old 04-22-2014, 09:52 AM   #69
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Dairy products or food containing mayonnaise (such as coleslaw or potato salad) that have been out of the refrigerator too long
One of the items on a list published by the NIH. Google it.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:54 AM   #70
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The Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives: Leonard Mlodinow: 9780307275172: Amazon.com: Books - apparently such a book applies to both the topic and wandering content of this thread.
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Go back and read the original post, then the next 3 posts. The topic should have ended there.
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We run with the propane on behind our diesel....

From a practical matter, with the widespread use of vapor recovery systems here in California, the odds of sufficient gasoline vapor finding the propane pilot on the fridge while refueling is pretty tiny. Flammability limits for gasoline are such that we're just never going to see the concentration (minimum 1.7% by volume) of vapors sufficient for ignition.

Where folks get into trouble is filling gas cans in plastic lined pickup beds; the gas vapor from a portable container spills into the bed and is heavier than air; this gets set off from static electricity when moving the can.

If you could only maintain adequate airflow, an intake screen on the fridge vent of 20 or more openings per lineal inch would prevent ignition; that's what the Coast Guard specifies for gasoline vents on boats to prevent ignition sources on deck from setting off vapor in the fuel tanks.
This is similar to the safety lantern formerly used in mines.


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Go back and read the original post, then the next 3 posts. The topic should have ended there.
Parkinson's Law of Triviality applies.

(besides, I'm on hold an need something to do...)

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If I had two refrigerators, I'd run 'em both.

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Old 04-22-2014, 12:27 PM   #75
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There are so many risks in daily life that if you worried about all of them you would not go anywhere! Driving is risky, towing a trailer is riskier, worrying about all of this is even riskierer! Jim
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We do it occasionally, i.e., on hot days when we're going to be on the road a while. Most of the time, though, the fridge stays plenty cold during the day without running. We only do it on the really hot days.

A couple issues:
1. Some tunnels, ferries, etc., require the propane to be turned off, so you'll need to shut down the fridge for those.
2. There was a picture posted on this site a while back of a camper that had been in an accident that damaged the water heater, and for whatever reason the excess flow valve in the propane regulator had failed, so it was dumping propane all over until they got the tank turned off. No explosion or anything like that. The odds are very slim, but it's not impossible - it's the same reason we use chains in addition to coupler locks, right? Risk managers would say it's a very low probability, but potentially high impact risk. So, if we don't need to keep the fridge running, we don't, and we shut off the propane.
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Old 04-22-2014, 01:25 PM   #77
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What he said.
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We tow with our propane on -- all the time, even in winter to make sure our furnace stays on.
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ai'm not worried about running with the refrigerator on propane. But, what gets me every time the water heater turns on approximately 12 inches under my pillow. Oh well, God hates a coward. Sal
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Is it ok to run fridge on propane while towing ?

Yea if a person studies the issue enough, ,,,,, the fact that not a single poster on this site can point to a single fire caused by a refrigerator while traveling,, is totally meaningless.

Now I will take my turn at performing a psych evaluation.

People look at their new trailer, and they start thinking, even commonly, and they say to themselves "traveling with a fire under the fridge seems dangerous", and then they build their arguments for why it is a bad idea to run the fridge while moving, and the people who might disagree are nothing but ignorant hillbillies.
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