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Old 05-27-2006, 01:39 PM   #15
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May I suggest a further read from a company that has taken a similar approach with the expedition quality truck camper and moved from propane to diesel and electric for all appliances. They don't specifically mention component brands, but they do help explain the choices behind their selection.

If you have a few extra moments, take an overall look at the vehicle and layout. I wish I could afford one of them!

http://www.earthroamer.com/main_truc..._5systems.html
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Old 05-27-2006, 03:01 PM   #16
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Westfalia:

Yes, I’ve read this site several times over the past year or two. This couple has lots of good ideas.

I may have developed the diesel idea from their example. I'm not sure. I know my most recent searching was triggered by the realization that if I put the a/c compressor on the tongue, I would have to think about moving the LP tanks.

It sounds like they may be using one of those German heaters. They would have the advantage of adding the truck’s diesel motor to the circuit for more efficiency too.

I’m pretty sure the ceramic cook top is the European one I am talking about.

Their vehicle is purpose built for exploring and my rig is being built because I am an URBAN Explorer.

I want to be able to stay behind a red barn near Memphis or Denver, un-load my Mini Cooper from the Sprinter flatbed and go down town every day if I wish.

I was also interested in their sensible cassette toilet idea but, in the end, I found the manufacturers unable to provide non-conflicting information or show any interest. They really have no interest in the end user.

So we installed a new black and a new grey exiting to what I’d call a Waste Management Compartment. The pump there can clear the black in a minute or two with the push of a button. You can even backwash the black with the soap water from the grey.

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Old 05-29-2006, 04:35 PM   #17
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Lewster:

I tried to call Vehicle Systems Inc., at both their 303 area code and 1-800 numbers. I can't get through the voice mail. Probably the system is down.

Do you have an email address for them?

I'm trying to find out if they indeed do make a third, smaller system that is not yet on their web site.


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Old 05-29-2006, 05:05 PM   #18
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Old 05-29-2006, 05:31 PM   #19
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Sergei, I have an email address for someone in Vehicle Systems. He is a member of our local VW Bus club! I'll PM the info to you.
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Old 05-29-2006, 08:58 PM   #20
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Lewster:

I tried to call Vehicle Systems Inc., at both their 303 area code and 1-800 numbers. I can't get through the voice mail. Probably the system is down.

Do you have an email address for them?

I'm trying to find out if they indeed do make a third, smaller system that is not yet on their web site.


Thanks.


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Sergei,

I know that they are VERY busy on the phones.....takes me a while too .

Anyway, www.vehiclesys.com is the web site. I don't see the new unit on the web site yet, but I did see it in testing at the factory. Maybe its' not ready for prime-time yet! I'll go thru my authorized service center channels and see if I can get you any info on the new system.
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Old 05-29-2006, 09:25 PM   #21
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Lew,

I realized after posting that it is a national holiday in your country today. That's probably the reason. I'll try again tomorrow.

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A nice 10 kw diesel generator and go all electric.
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Old 05-31-2006, 11:42 AM   #23
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Tarheel:

Thanks for the in put.

Diesel is loud and a 10K plant would be heavy but I also think it will be better to have multi-source power.

We have a 3500 watt “under the hood” generator on the Sprinter tow vehicle, as well as a 200 amp alternator that can charge a pretty hefty truck mounted battery bank and inverter combination.

This way we should only have to “High Idle” the Mercedes motor for air conditioning (when not on shore power).

Diesel options are more and more numerous and very interesting. You can heat air or coolant as well as cook with diesel.

Small diesel furnaces built for this purpose measure 8.5” wide, 6” high, 3.5” deep and weight only SIX POUNDS. They use only .16 US gallons of fuel per hour at HIGH.

Having diesel, in combination with the three other sources for electricity mentioned, is probably the most efficient system as well.

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Moving ahead with the Diesel Powered Trailer

The down time between Christmas and New Year’s is a good time to catch up on my reporting to the forum.

A lot has happened since we were discussing this subject last May.

Member LEWSTER recommended that I contact VEHICLE SYSTEMS INC in Colorado (#3) and WESTFALIA sent me a personal contact for an engineer he knew there, a fellow member of his Volkswagen Bus Club (#19).

BILL MOXON was that guy. Bill confirmed that my plan was workable and offered to freely advise me. So far, I have an inch high pile of emails between him and his associate David Haynes.

They have patiently coached me through the installation to date and I can’t imagine being able to do this without them.

Lewster and Westfalia, thank you! This is yet another example of how helpful our forum is.

These are the various components that I assembled for the system.

The beer can gives an indication of relative size. The WEBASTO TSL 17 furnace is shown with it's exhaust and intake hoses. The stainless steel water heater is the ISOTEMP 6 gallon, made in Italy for the marine industry. The three COZY brand fan coil space heating units are from Vehicle Systems Inc.



I got lucky with the expansion tank. Gary, the rad repair man in my small town had once made one for a Volkswagen, out of solid brass, and still had it. He let me have it for $30. bucks.

I will post more photos and details on the installation over the next few days

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Old 12-29-2006, 06:21 PM   #25
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Filler spout and Tank

The ARGOSY has it’s own diesel filler spout, located street side, about were the furnace outlet used to be.


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(The screws are temporary. They will be replaced with proper rivets when we paint the trailer in the spring).

After I assembled all the pieces last summer, I called Bill to thank him for all his advice.

I blurted out that we might be building the world’s first diesel powered trailer.

“Well, we once equipped a fifth wheel for Trailmanor. But it was shipped to Europe. Maybe your’s can be first in North America” Bill said, letting my ego down gently.

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The 11.5 gallon poly tank is mounted below the floor, just forward of the axles. The photo shows the filler and venting tubes as well as the fuel gauge, which will be mounted inside the trailer at the control panel.

The tank comes complete with sending unit for the gauge, is made by TEMPO Industries in Cleveland and is rated by all relevant agencies.



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Old 12-29-2006, 06:39 PM   #26
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The filler spout enters the trailer where the gas furnace and water heaters once stood. It is routed down through the floor to the tank.

Phil insulated and patched the wall. The galley counter will of course hide this.

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Sergei -- You break the mold! You aren't really venturing too far afield from the stories of sailors who live with diesel fumes when living aboard. More! Must have more info, mastah!!
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How the System Works

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This is the interior layout for the hydronic heating system.

Heated coolant comes from the WEBASTO diesel heater that is located outside on the trailer tongue.

Running through 70 feet of 3/4” I.D. black rubber heater hose, heated coolant fluid passes through the water heater, exchanging heat with the 6 gallons of water, then through the 3 fan-coil heaters, then back to the Webasto, via the expansion tank


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One COZY space heater is located in the front of the trailer, near the water heater, under the kitchen galley counter.


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The other two space heaters are at the rear. The bathroom unit has a plenum, which will divert ducted heat to the basement holding tanks.



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There are two bypass arrangements at the ISOTEMP water heater. The yellow handled 2 way valve is a summer/winter switch will allows the fan coil units to be by-passed during summer months.

The other by-pass seen uses an automobile heater control valve. With this arrangement we can control the amount of fluid going to the water heater, should it need to be “balanced”

The blue water lines are the hot and cold supply, plumbed in the new IPEX system.

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