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Old 01-02-2013, 10:06 AM   #15
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$22-$24 the last few times I had it done for a 30-lb cylinder.
That's right in our price range using a gritty local equipment rental business. Closer to $30 at gas stations and U-Haul.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:07 AM   #16
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I filled my two 30#ers for $52 here in central Cali.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:28 AM   #17
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Filled 1 30# for around $30 in Sebring FL, a week before Christmas at a BP service station.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:34 AM   #18
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4 year old 40lb Tank over filled

Could a someone over fill a 40 lb tank? Yes: My 40lb'er pressure releif value was releasing fumes the day after he filled my tank. Temp. in the 40's both days. At the recommendation of the retailer that filled the tank, I took it to a Suburban Propane dealer for a possible valve replacment knowing very well that the new style tank couldn't be over filled. Well guess what, it can be and was. Thank God I hadn't openned the tank valve as we were just preparing to leave on an extended trip. So all this great life saving measures taken to save our hide from poorly trained propane dispensers doesn't hold much water. The tank was bled off by the service tech at Suburban Propane and everything was fine. The retailer did weight the tank as he filled it as I watched him but something wasn't right. So future fills will be made at a more experienced location rather than a retailer that rents truck and trailers and sells propane also.
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Could a someone over fill a 40 lb tank? Yes: My 40lb'er pressure releif value was releasing fumes the day after he filled my tank. Temp. in the 40's both days. At the recommendation of the retailer that filled the tank, I took it to a Suburban Propane dealer for a possible valve replacment knowing very well that the new style tank couldn't be over filled. Well guess what, it can be and was. Thank God I hadn't openned the tank valve as we were just preparing to leave on an extended trip. So all this great life saving measures taken to save our hide from poorly trained propane dispensers doesn't hold much water. The tank was bled off by the service tech at Suburban Propane and everything was fine. The retailer did weight the tank as he filled it as I watched him but something wasn't right. So future fills will be made at a more experienced location rather than a retailer that rents truck and trailers and sells propane also.
The OPD is supposed to prevent overfilling of the tank. If the tank was overfilled I would question the operation of the valve. A good operator should know when the valve is going to activate based on the weight of the tank and it's contents. If the valve fails to function correctly, it should be replaced.
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40# over filled

The valve was checked at the time and was fine. Also the tank has been refilled several times since this incident in Febuary of 2012 and hasn't failed.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:33 AM   #21
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Thank God I hadn't openned the tank valve as we were just preparing to leave on an extended trip.
But if you opened the valve that would have bled off some of the propane.

This actually seems too common at least in warmer weather, cold propane going into tank then expanding and leaking from the new "safer" valve.
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So future fills will be made at a more experienced location rather than a retailer that rents truck and trailers and sells propane also.
Even if their main line of business is renting trucks and trailers, they still have to be licensed to dispense propane. If you're concerned that this location is not doing it right, I would suggest that you find out what State department regulates the sale of propane in the state where you got the tank filled, and lodge an official complaint. If improper procedures are being followed, the location may find their license pulled as a result.
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That's right in our price range using a gritty local equipment rental business. Closer to $30 at gas stations and U-Haul.
Funny - the $22-$24 I quoted is at a gas station and a campground (a campground that actually charges a fair price for propane...whodathunkit?).

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They don't fill the tanks because of the possibility of expansion when it gets hot. I believe it is illegal to fill them. I believe they can only fill them to 80 or 85%. That comes out to 7 gal. for a 30 lb. tank.
Correct, but Blue Rhino and the like are underfilling even more than that.
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The valve was checked at the time and was fine. Also the tank has been refilled several times since this incident in Febuary of 2012 and hasn't failed.
The new style tanks actually have 4 valves.
The twist valve
The OPD
A check valve
And an over pressure vent valve.
The 1st three are all in series.
The vent is separate and once 'vented' is suspect.

My tanks OPD valves slam shut when full and the fill pump deadheads.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:17 PM   #25
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Just had a 30# filled at Pismo Coast Village in Pismo Beach CA. I removed it, placed it in front of our trailer, it was picked up and a few minutes later it came back full.

$30.00
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They don't fill the tanks because of the possibility of expansion when it gets hot. I believe it is illegal to fill them. I believe they can only fill them to 80 or 85%. That comes out to 7 gal. for a 30 lb. tank.
80% of a 30-pound tank is 24 pounds of propane. At 4.3 pounds per gallon (at 70F) that's only about five and a half gallons of propane. Seven gallons would be approximately 30 pounds of propane, which is about right for a 40-pound tank at 80% full.
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BBQ cylinders have a marking on the collar for WC. For BBQ cylinders, the WC is generally around 47.x, indicating that the cylinder, when full, can contain 47.x pounds of water. If you multiply that number by .42, you'll get the capacity of the cylinder in pounds of propane. It'll be at or very close to 20 pounds.

Now check the "net weight" on the plastic sleve of a trade-in BBQ cylinder (Blue Rhino and others). You'll see that it is generally 15 pounds. In other words, they'll filling only to partial capacity.

On the positive side, these cylinders all have OPD valves and are (supposed to be) within the qualification date. When folks come here with a cylinder that cannot be filled (no OPD, out of qualification, damaged, whatever), I have them do the trade-in. And then remind them that it's no problem to have their new cylinder refilled by a dealer; i.e., no need to do yet another trade-in when that one's empty.


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The 80% figure is already factored in, so if the WC figure indicates (after math; see my post above) that it'll contain 30 pounds of propane, then you don't subtract 20% and then fill; rather, you fill to 30 pounds.

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80% of a 30-pound tank is 24 pounds of propane. At 4.3 pounds per gallon (at 70F) that's only about five and a half gallons of propane. Seven gallons would be approximately 30 pounds of propane, which is about right for a 40-pound tank at 80% full.
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