Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-05-2008, 05:37 PM   #29
Rivet Master
 
byamcaravanner's Avatar
 
1967 28' Ambassador
1963 19' Globetrotter
1970 29' Ambassador
Waukesha , Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,180
Quote:
Originally Posted by WALLY 54
I love to wear my blue beret. And, I think every member should get one for joining!
I agree!!! I wonder why they don't sell them at the WBCCI store???

I'll be in Jackson Center next Tuesday and plan to stop in and ask.
__________________

__________________
Steve & the crew
'70 Ambassador International Twin
'63 19' Globetrotter TAC WI-1
http://byamcaravanner.blogspot.com/
byamcaravanner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 08:11 PM   #30
Miss Rivette
 
airedale's Avatar
 
1965 17' Caravel
Hell , Michigan
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,644
Send a message via AIM to airedale Send a message via MSN to airedale Send a message via Yahoo to airedale
Steve, how long are you going to be in Jackson Center? Ill be there in 3 weeks for a rally!!!
__________________

__________________
Laura Miss Rivette 2008
W8JUZ --......--
"Support Search and Rescue, GET LOST!!!!"
Operation "SAVE RUDY" Strike Team (Charter Member)

Check Out My New Airstream Blog
airedale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 09:04 PM   #31
3 Rivet Member
 
Mrs_RedSHED's Avatar
 
2014 16' Sport
Columbus , Indiana
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by henw
WBCCI is a club of and for older people, or, those who think and act like seniors. Nothing wrong with that, but, that's the way it is. Super nice folks. The marches, the jackets and caps and badges, the anthems, all right out of the Lawrence Welk era. Ceremonies taken very seriously by those involved. But, OMG to someone witnessing for the first time.
Entertainment at bigger events is of second tier cruise ship quality.
The structure, rules, and limitations serve a purpose, but, can also be stifling. Working folks need to be able to arrive after hours and set up. Not sent to the dungeon or whatever it's called. If you forget to wear your name tag, no one should comment. If your trailer is parked a bit crooked. who cares.
Also, younger folks want use of the amenities that come with an AS. 3 amp electric is not OK. 30 amp around the clock is really nice. Lots of electronics to run and AC and coffee, and, who goes to bed at 10 pm?
Relaxation, flexibility, and adaptable structure.......add these and the campers will come.
Oh, and dinner hour is never 5 o'clock, unless you are retired I suppose.

Tom
Please, please remember.....NOT ALL OF THE UNITS ARE LIKE THAT. I do apologize for the all caps thing, but come on...if you join are you only intending to go to the bigger regional/national things? Individual units are individual. Join a unit that does things you like and don't go to the big stuff if it annoys you. Everybody keeps saying it...join, encourage people like you to join, eventually the majority will change and so will the behaviors. Let them have their fun for now but help be a catalyst for ADDITIONAL activities that include ones for families!

BTW - Who cares when people eat their dinner? Is this really an important issue?
__________________
Mrs_RedSHED
Mrs_RedSHED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 09:28 PM   #32
3 Rivet Member
 
Mrs_RedSHED's Avatar
 
2014 16' Sport
Columbus , Indiana
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 144
Moderators: Would it be OK to start a new thread that will work sort of as a working list that identifies which WBCCI Units are family friendly? No unit bashing allowed. It would list Unit Name and Region, and why that person likes or recommends that unit as family friendly. It would include a notation saying that one cannot assume that a units absence from the list means it is unfriendly to families since that unit may not have any members on Air Forums? The thread may help others find a unit they like!
__________________
Mrs_RedSHED
Mrs_RedSHED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 09:59 PM   #33
4 Rivet Member
 
elolson's Avatar
 
2000 34' Excella
Tucson , Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 375
Interesting thread. I guess it comes down to evaluating what you want to get out of a club. We kind of like the social aspects of RVing and have had some of our best times when there were lots of others to share activities with. It turns out that some of these times were at 55+ RV parks that let us in anyway. My wife and I at the time were 32 and 34 respectively. There is a certain decency about that older crowd that is refreshing and I have never seen younger folks as active as some of these older groups are.

There are two WBCCI units in the state, the 4CU and the arizona unit. I cut a check to the 4cu folks as they seem to be the more active of the two. I'll let you know how that works out. Back maybe to the point I was attempting to make (I actually have one ), I sent dues to a classic chevy club for years and was a minimal participant, just did not do it for me and I eventually dropped my membership. I did not get anything out of that club but I also did not put anything into it. The stubby end of this is that you get out of something what you put into it. I doubt that age has much to do with it, probably its just a particular groups acceptance of new members and new members willing to participate.

Ok, I misspoke there was not much of a point, but I did get my 100th post and I really did cut the 4CU folks a check as their Quartzite ralley was a blast. Participation is key.
__________________
elolson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2008, 11:05 PM   #34
4 Rivet Member
 
Grand Master's Avatar
 
1963 24' Tradewind
Anderson / Sun City , Indiana / Arizona
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 444
I have been following this thread with much interest.

I have just recently re-joined the WBCCI, and I am somewhat disappointed to hear the comments about the less than family-friendly image the club has acquired.

When I was a youn boy my parents traveled extensively with the club. We attended many rallies and caravans. Wally Byam was at several events I attended, and I don't remember any of this "old folks" attitude. In fact, many members brought their children just like my foks did. I still have Rally pictures from the 1950's & 60's, and the average age is much younger than currently described

I have recently purchased a vintage Airstream and re-acquired our original number 1200. This is very nostalgic for me.

Even though I am now 60 years old, I don't like being around people that think "old". I enjoyed Airstreaming because you met interesting people that had a young adventurist attitude (like Wally). If the club has truly evoled as described, I will continue to pay my dues to retain #1200 for nostalgic reasons and travel alone in search of people like I used to meet at Rallies.

I hope it doesn't come to that.

Mike Brumback
__________________
Grand Master is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 12:44 AM   #35
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs_RedSHED
a working list that identifies which WBCCI Units are family friendly? No unit bashing allowed...
this reads like the ideal thread idea...

for the wb' website.

my read of this thread is that it is primarily about young ADULT members,

with or without kids.

others have started some similar streams of thought...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f232...uth-17057.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/...ers-18491.html

now on the 'families' issue there are several too...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...endly-379.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...nfo-26989.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...ent-21490.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...nfo-26989.html

the likelihood of any given unit being "friendly" to any given demographic...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...units-968.html

children, pets, singles, gays, smokers, gum chewers or republicans...

really is determined by the makeup and % of folk IN the unit with that interest or need.

a 20 member unit with 19, 80 year olds, and ONE young family, might be 'friendly' to the kids...

but that's doesn't mean they'll have much in common or events geared toward the one family.

there is a long string of posts here somewhere about a family or 2 being treated badly at the minnesota a/s park....

so we AND the wb' can learn from the negative and bashing posts too.

ne1 know why THIS thread was closed? it hardly looks menacing 2 me...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...ack-33989.html

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 05:43 AM   #36
Cyclist
 
henw's Avatar
 
2007 28' International CCD
Windermere , Florida
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 457
Participation in an organization is key, that is if you think the organization has a prayer of evolving. Older members really do want young blood involved, and, many aid in actively recruiting, but, it's to perpepuate the club as they value it.
I think that serious moves at the top to really show that they know the future of WBCCI is in trouble would go the furthest in generating new membership.
Reallly shake things up.
Some suggestions:
1. Change the name. Or add a catch phrase. " It's not your parents WBCCI."

2. Get rid of the incredibly hokey ceremonies. Hello, no one does this type of show any more. The god awful getups, the marching, the dignataries. Yuk!!

3. If you plan on having a tap dancing harmonic player in for entertainment, then balance it out. Ask Fiddy Cents or an American Idol to perform.

4. The military like structure at rallys must change. What gets things done in an organized way does not always translate into fun.

5. Emphasize the camping. Bon fires, story telling, weanie roasts.

6. Modern amenities are a must for many folks now. Yes, there are still happy boondockers out there, but, more would rather have full use of their electronics and blow dryer etc. 24 hrs per day. 30 amp all the way.

7. Develop some new interests. There already is a radio club at most big rallies. Why not some others, perhaps a sound system group. Who can get there AS booming the loudest. Or, some athletic competitions. A mini olympics with things like power walking, a bike obstacle course, swimming, archery etc.

Finally, remember that you can't please every one. Saving the WBCCI for the future will likely alienate those who now hold the keys. But, it's evolve or die. If you can't adapt, your done.

Tom
__________________
2007 28' Int CCD.
2011 F 250 Big Honking Diesel
DTV 5lnb on a tripod.
Wilson wired repeater with YAG.
Two big screens
15dB Backfire WiFi antenna and WaveMagnum
Centramatics.
Hawkshead Tire Monitors.
henw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 09:56 AM   #37
2 Rivet Member
 
pcasa's Avatar
 
1966 17' Caravel
Dallas , Texas
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 96
I'm a "boomer" in my 50's and just attended my first rally - I was the youngest there and it was cool to feel like a teenager again! The group was welcoming and inclusive - except for the ear-muffed elder who attacked my lack of name badge. Yes, the rituals and ceremonies are way out of touch with "my generation" for sure - but the club has survived this long because of our shared passion for Wally's vision. I'm sure the club will continue to evolve as each generation passes through its membership - and hopefully will reflect more on Wally-style FUN and less on pomp and circumstance.
__________________
pcasa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 11:25 AM   #38
2 Rivet Member
 
WALLY 54's Avatar
 
1954 25' Cruiser
1977 27' Overlander
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
VC Highlands , Nevada
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 78
Beautiful Blue Beret!

Quote:
Originally Posted by byamcaravanner
I agree!!! I wonder why they don't sell them at the WBCCI store???

I'll be in Jackson Center next Tuesday and plan to stop in and ask.
I was fortunate enough to get an original felt blue beret. It is a real beret. My husband, Tim, found one on-line and won the bid at the last minute!

The hats that the IBT and others are currently wearing are a lighter blue cotton twill material and they don't exactly have the shape of a real beret.

If there is any possibility of getting a real beret back, or perhaps a patch that can be purchased separatley, I think it would be wonderful. I do love Wally's original 'safari' hat, as well. I don't think that the 'military-style' coats do anything for the club. They represent an unaproachable aura. But, the original berets are nostalgic and historical, and really do represent a world-class travel appearance that is both intriguing and identifiable. Very friendly.

Please let us know what you find out!!!!
__________________
VAC 1 V.P. & Vintage Advantage Magazine Editor
WALLY54 1954 Cruiser #11281
Buttercup 77 Overlander #17330
1990 345-LE MoHo Classic #7830
Air #
19124
WALLY 54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 12:48 PM   #39
Cyclist
 
henw's Avatar
 
2007 28' International CCD
Windermere , Florida
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 457
Change can evolve through the generations. It also can occur via actions that ensure growth. Also, as our history shows, it quite often is the positive outcome of rebellion.
I've been involved in many governance and leadership groups. They all pretty much function the same, unless specific design mandates otherwise.
The head will always protect itself at the expense of the tail. The good ole boy and good ole gal networks are alive and strong. Even though those participating in such will swear it's not so. So, how does an organization prevent such? First of all you operate in the " sunshine." Every bit of business conducted in the open. You restrict nominating committes. They function primarily to weed out candidates who "are not like us." You stipulate that key governance positions must be representitive of minority or alternate views. You set up a separate bylaws committee. It reports only to the membership.
Open communication is extremely important. WBCCI should actively work to eliminate most of the paper. Registration for events needs to be electronic. A detailed Bozeman agenda etc. should be available online. The President should be required to run a blog.
I'm not hopeful for much improvement. Too many people have a vested interest in the status quo.
Tom
__________________
2007 28' Int CCD.
2011 F 250 Big Honking Diesel
DTV 5lnb on a tripod.
Wilson wired repeater with YAG.
Two big screens
15dB Backfire WiFi antenna and WaveMagnum
Centramatics.
Hawkshead Tire Monitors.
henw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 12:55 PM   #40
Rivet Master
 
cameront120's Avatar
 
1972 25' Tradewind
North Vancouver , British Columbia
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,422
Images: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by WALLY 54
I was fortunate enough to get an original felt blue beret. It is a real beret. My husband, Tim, found one on-line and won the bid at the last minute!

The hats that the IBT and others are currently wearing are a lighter blue cotton twill material and they don't exactly have the shape of a real beret.

If there is any possibility of getting a real beret back, or perhaps a patch that can be purchased separatley, I think it would be wonderful. I do love Wally's original 'safari' hat, as well. I don't think that the 'military-style' coats do anything for the club. They represent an unaproachable aura. But, the original berets are nostalgic and historical, and really do represent a world-class travel appearance that is both intriguing and identifiable. Very friendly.

Please let us know what you find out!!!!

You can buy real felt berets in any good hat shop or online. Look for Basque beret and you'll find what Wally probably wore back in the day. Most are black, but if you are lucky you'll find them in navy blue and possibly brown and grey. They also come in different diameters. Most are 9.5" or 10.5" but some can be had with up to a 12" diameter. Forget the leather trimmed military berets, they aren't the same thing and just don't wear the same.
__________________
Cameron & the Labradors, Kai & Samm
North Vancouver, BC
Live! Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death! - Mame Dennis
cameront120 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2008, 06:37 PM   #41
Rivet Master
 
byamcaravanner's Avatar
 
1967 28' Ambassador
1963 19' Globetrotter
1970 29' Ambassador
Waukesha , Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,180
Quote:
Originally Posted by airedale
Steve, how long are you going to be in Jackson Center? Ill be there in 3 weeks for a rally!!!
We'll be there for about three hours on the 8th of April. Have fun at your rally.
__________________
Steve & the crew
'70 Ambassador International Twin
'63 19' Globetrotter TAC WI-1
http://byamcaravanner.blogspot.com/
byamcaravanner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 06:37 PM   #42
2 Rivet Member
 
UpNorthAir's Avatar
 
1970 31' Sovereign
Horton Bay , Michigan
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 41
I want a "Wally Congo" helmet!

What! You don't get a Blue Beret!

They don't even offer you one to buy!

What gives...... I think that a bunch of magaretta slushing, beer toting, wine sipping people running around with the blue berets on would be a riot!!! Just think you could upgade to the Wally Congo Helmet!!!! That would be so kewl, I could just see my whole family outfitted in "Wally Attire" What a blast!!!!!

I got to join just to do this!!
__________________

__________________
UpNorthAir is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
To all WBCCI members streamer23 WBCCI Forum 32 10-11-2006 09:42 PM
Calling All WBCCI Members! wheel interested WBCCI Forum 132 08-14-2006 10:27 PM
CB Radios - What percent of WBCCI members use them Richard Vroom Electrical - Systems, Generators, Batteries & Solar 13 05-17-2003 10:58 AM
Are Forum members WBCCI members? 83Excella WBCCI Forum 8 07-03-2002 12:37 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.