View Poll Results: Will you leave the WBCCI if the MOHO motion passes?
Leave if/when it passes? 25 19.23%
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Old 03-20-2007, 03:20 PM   #85
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I'm just trying to understand the dilema. Are the owners of the vehicles on Airstreams current website eligible for WBCCI membership? Including ALL the "Motorhomes" and "Touring Coaches"?

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P.S. Are any made in Jackson Center, or are they made in the same plants as the Thor MOs?
The answers to your first two questions are "yes" and "yes."
I don't quite understand the question in your postscript. Can you clarify?
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Old 03-20-2007, 03:24 PM   #86
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I'm just trying to understand the dilema. Are the owners of the vehicles on Airstreams current website eligible for WBCCI membership? Including ALL the "Motorhomes" and "Touring Coaches"?

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P.S. Are any made in Jackson Center, or are they made in the same plants as the Thor MOs?
No Airstream products are made in any other brand's plants. Originally, the first Airstream plant was in California and a second plant was opened in Ohio in the '50's. The California plant was closed in the '70's and all Airstreams have been made in Ohio since. There was a second Ohio plant for a while, but it was closed some time ago. I think they may have originally made the Argosy line and then the Classic motor homes at the second plant, but I don't remember for sure. Today, all Airstream campers, trailers and Class B motor homes (class C's were made there, too), are made in Jackson Center and they are all eligible for membership in the WBCCI.

BTW, the WBCCI only began to allow Airstream motor homes to be admitted into the club in 1995. This was almost the last year that Airstream made the Classic motor homes. By Classic, we mean the monocoque, bare aluminum motor home that most closely resembles the classic styled Airstream travel trailer.
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I have only one thing that I might add, that has been recently developing since the IBT rally, and that is Airstream will not allow another product to be labeled as an "Airstream Edition" so expect to see it proposed as a "WBCCI Edition". Apparently Airstream isn't just handing out their name willy nilly or endorsement on something other than a real Airstream.
This is probably what I read and just misunderstood.
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1995 was the same year the Argosy, made in Versailles, OH was allowed in the WBCCI.
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I don't quite understand the question in your postscript. Can you clarify?
" P.S. Are any ("Motorhomes" and "Touring Coaches")made in Jackson Center, or are they made in the same plants as the Thor MOs?"

I asked this because after comparing the Airstream class A's with the Thor class A's they looked very similar and I could hardly tell the difference. Perhaps after further analysis one could determine why a Thor is not an Airstream but an Airstream is still a Thor.

I do understand where the passion comes from. How do Jaguar or Land Rover owners feel when you point out that their vehicle is technically a Ford product?

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Good point...

Steve -- You make a good point about Jag's and Landie's. Our TV is actually a Land Rover. A 2006 LR3. And it's a Land Rover. Yes, Ford owns Premier Auto Group that owns Land Rover, but she's still a Landie. And I have to say, an Airstream is an Airstream. A Four Winds MOHO is a Four Winds MOHO. We, the members of WBCCI, have our club and they need their own club. If WBCCI allows in other RV makes, then WBCCI only becomes a large chapter of The Good Sams Club.
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I restate our position: We will NOT leave the WBCCI. The NEU is a fantastic, fun loving Unit and we do not want to miss out on a thing they are doing.

This is our club, and we will be in the position to impact change soon. I just hope we remember these discussions when we get into "power" and we listen to the voices of the younger members who are coming in behind us.
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Actually, "I" never really joined and it was quite a while before I actually was aware that I had "arrived", so I suspect that a considerable amount of time will pass before I actually "leave". Where would I go?
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" P.S. Are any ("Motorhomes" and "Touring Coaches")made in Jackson Center, or are they made in the same plants as the Thor MOs?"

I asked this because after comparing the Airstream class A's with the Thor class A's they looked very similar and I could hardly tell the difference. Perhaps after further analysis one could determine why a Thor is not an Airstream but an Airstream is still a Thor.

I do understand where the passion comes from. How do Jaguar or Land Rover owners feel when you point out that their vehicle is technically a Ford product?

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As has been said in this thread before, Jackson Center made the Land Yacht, Cutter, Skydeck, et al motor homes up 'till the '07 model year. They purchased the chassis and engines from outside vendors just like other motor home manufacturers do. They may have even purchased some of the walls and front/rear body panels, I don't know for sure how much was actually built on site. However, many other motor home manufacturers make their own so they can incorporate the window openings and wiring runs to suit their floor plans and I suspect Airstream had been doing the same. I believe the B-vans are purchased from freightliner as shells with the raised roofs already installed. I think they may even have some of the mill work in place on some models.

I think, using your comparison as an example, the basis for the passion would be something along the lines of this. Land Rover no longer sells the Discovery model in the U.S. A very small group of Discovery owners love their Discovery models so much they know they want another when it's time to replace it. So they approach Ford and ask them to re-badge some of the Ford Explorers as Land Rover Discoverys. Land Rover says no, they won't go along with that for legal reasons. So the Land Rover owner's club says, "Why not put a special decal on some of the Explorers that says 'Discovery Edition' and we'll get our members to accept that as an alternative. Now, other members of the Land Rover club don't like that because these Discovery Edition Explorers won't be authentic Land Rovers, will they? That is the crux of the matter.
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Jacob has an excellent notion above. An organization for all aluminum trailers. It'd be 95% Airstream anyway, but it'd be cool to see the Silver Streaks, Streamlines, Avions, and others.

I have not been to any of their gatherings, but there is such a group already, the Tin Can Tourists. Anything tin is in, as I understand it. I'm not advocating this in place of the WBCCI as I haven't given up yet. I believe the IBT will find out what the real club membership thinks about their idea in Perry, GA. If I'm wrong then I'll be gone, and it won't be the first time I've belonged to another Airstream Club (altho I was a WBCCI member at that time too).

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Jacob has an excellent notion above. An organization for all aluminum trailers. It'd be 95% Airstream anyway, but it'd be cool to see the Silver Streaks, Streamlines, Avions, and others.

I have not been to any of their gatherings, but there is such a group already, the Tin Can Tourists. Anything tin is in, as I understand it. I'm not advocating this in place of the WBCCI as I haven't given up yet. I believe the IBT will find out what the real club membership thinks about their idea in Perry, GA. If I'm wrong then I'll be gone, and it won't be the first time I've belonged to another Airstream Club (altho I was a WBCCI member at that time too).

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From all the votes in thus far here's the latest report from Save Wally, "With more than 4000 votes still unaccounted for, we're just ~300 votes short of killing this Minority Special Interest IBT SOB Motion as the current tallies are running 70% to 30% -- AGAINST!"

To check the unit votes tallied go to Save Wally Web Site - Home

Listen to the latest VAP podcast Eposode 45, the Great Motorhome Debate,

Join Host Tim Shephard and Panel Pros Colin Hyde and Rob Baker as they talk with Leo Garvey of SaveWally.org about the WBCCI motorhome debate.

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The next item will be watching from the floor at the International and hearing amendment changes presented to the delegates. The far majority of delegates have been instructed to vote no to any new amendment and have any issue readdressed by their unit members. There also are many units voting no confidence in the lineup of leadership and may be quite a few surprises from the floor for nominees.
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