View Poll Results: Why did leave WBCCI ?
Cost too much 10 16.67%
Not enough value for the membership fee 19 31.67%
Too many rules 21 35.00%
I don't need to belong to group to enjoy camping 25 41.67%
Bad experience 12 20.00%
Other reason(s) 13 21.67%
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Old 10-30-2016, 05:30 AM   #113
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We are buying a AS 2015 RB twin FC from a dealer.
It would be so helpful to speak with the former owner so any repairs that are needed could be done by the dealer before we take possession. I am trying to find the owner of #19966.
What are my chances?
Thank you for any help.
That's the owners number not the trailer number. Still you might get some info on the other site.
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Old 10-30-2016, 07:23 AM   #114
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When I joined I picked a group I thought would be my kind of group. The group never bothered to contact me, even after I emailed multiple people in the group. Obviously I don't want to be in that group anymore. I don't have time to keep pursuing this. I am just a number apparently.
Just because you send someone an email that goes unanswered doesn't mean they're unfriendly or ignoring you. It's very likely your email went into a "junk" email box instead of their inbox because you weren't in their address-book. They are not the ones with poor form if you leave in a huff over it. (Meanwhile, you're in the perfect location to participate in a really warm group known as the Texas Alamo Unit. PM me and I"ll definitely respond with contact info. I'm no officer, so don't call me "sir!")

Same is true of a phone call. I never answer phone calls if my cell does not recognize the caller. Too many junk calls these days.
If you want to be recognized, leave a message and I'll return the call. (Might be a good idea to enter my number in your address-book if you feel similarly and truly want a return-call.) That's what I do.

Meanwhile, I'm a new WBCCI Member and have discovered everyone I've met to be warm folks. The only complaints of which I've become aware have been those I've read here in the forums, and that might be partially due to the INpersonal internet thing. People who can post on the internet can have a peculiar way of believing they can behave poorly with impunity sometimes.
I plan to contribute what I can, and make friends when I can. The experience will prove itself out one way or t'other. (Just had a fantastic experience at the Texas Country Air rally in Quanah and made lots of new friends! Thank you!)
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Old 10-30-2016, 09:51 AM   #115
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We are buying a AS 2015 RB twin FC from a dealer.
It would be so helpful to speak with the former owner so any repairs that are needed could be done by the dealer before we take possession. I am trying to find the owner of #19966.
What are my chances?
Thank you for any help.
I would tell the dealer you want to speak to the last owner. If they say no to that, I would very much question why? What have they got to hide.
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Old 10-30-2016, 10:01 AM   #116
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The dealer has nothing to hide; it is the "CONFIDENTIALITY LAW" big brother looking out for us. This was the answer I got from the AS dealer when trying to organize a local AS rally.
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Old 10-30-2016, 11:02 AM   #117
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I cannot speak for the USA, but here in Canada the dealer has the ability to call the old owner and inform them that they have a client who would like to speak to them about their trailer. 99% of the time the old owner will not have a problem with the dealer giving the client the contact info. If for any reason the dealer does not want to do this. I would be walking out of the dealership as fast as my little legs would carry me....
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Old 10-30-2016, 12:09 PM   #118
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I will qualify my statement; the dealer called me and asked if he could give contact information to the person that purchased my trailer when traded.
In the previous post, I had asked for a list of Airstream customers with contact information.
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Old 10-30-2016, 04:11 PM   #119
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When we sold our last AS the new owner got my name and phone number. It turned into an almost daily call about the reasons I did this or that to the trailer, finally I told her what I did to the trailer was my business and I didn't need to justify anything. Besides, I wasn't the first owner. The calls continued, mostly about small things, until I had to tell her to stop harassing me. She got my name either from paperwork left in the trailer or from the dealer where I traded. I didn't mind the first ten or so calls, but after a few weeks it was apparent she was disatified and was looking for someone to blame for her purchase.
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Old 10-31-2016, 08:59 AM   #120
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The dealer has nothing to hide; it is the "CONFIDENTIALITY LAW" big brother looking out for us. This was the answer I got from the AS dealer when trying to organize a local AS rally.
Mike
Not an AS but... a dozen years ago I was looking to buy a low-mileage (80K miles Jeep Cherokee) vehicle from a dealer (church-yard car-lot) who refused to allow contact with a prior owner (another dealer) for "privacy reasons".

I simply contacted the Dept of Public Safety, who informed me that vehicle registrations are public information and gave me the info. I called the previous dealer and asked him if he knew of any defects, and he praised the vehicle and said he'd used it for his daily driver and that it was a fantastic car...the only reason he sold it was because of it's high-mileage....170K miles!

Texas DPS did a really fun "sting" operation on the church/dealer who wanted to sell to me. (Some insurance underwriters also willingly research that info which can reveal hurricane-flooding damaged/restored vehicles. It is wise to remember that previous owners have no obligation to communicate with you and repeated/obnoxious calls can be seen as illegal harassment. )
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Old 09-04-2017, 01:00 PM   #121
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I haven't left yet but I posted this on the other thread about membership poll:

We have been a member since 2009. When I first got the "promo" packet from WBCCI, the dvd was like something from the 60's and every picture in the Blue Beret was really very old people. Lots of them. All of them.
When we went to our first rally, I told my wife "If we can get thru this first weekend without having to do CPR, maybe we'll hang in there for a while." We even thought about bringing a defibrillator from her office. Seriously. As it turned out, we had a great time and have made a lot of good friends of all ages that we often see outside the rallies.
My wife is on the local board and we have hosted several rallies. We DO NOT wear berets or ties. In fact, I've never seen a tie at any rally and beret maybe once or twice. We go to great locations, have great food, have fun and interesting events, and happy hour starts promptly at 5 every time.
That being said, the governing board is bloated, bureaucratic, somewhat autocratic with entrenched leadership, way out of date and out of touch, has ancient and silly rules like dress codes, and sometimes acts more like a Christian organization than a camping club.
For example, at the last international rally, one of our board members towed her trailer all the way there by herself only to discover that no one would help her park her trailer of even show her the way because it was the "Lord's day." That didn't stop them from smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol, so I guess that's approved by the Lord but not parking. Many locals start the meeting, meals, or events with prayers honoring Jesus. That gets right in your face if you're Jewish or another faith that doesn't recognize Jesus. It's a CAMPING CLUB!!!!
The international organization election of board members is really a coronation as a "nominating committee" selects one person to run for each office. So why bother voting.
Our unit is very open, progressive, inviting, tolerant, and full of fun people of all ages and convictions. While some other units are shrinking we are one of the fastest growing units. You almost never hear any discussion of religion or politics except that religion plays way too big a role in the organization. I can't even figure out how religion became so entwined in the club. Nothing I've ever read about Wally Byam indicated any religion was a major part of his life or had anything to do with Airstreams. In fact, when asked, he said "His religion was camping."
If it wasn't for the clubs insurance coverage for rallies and caravans, many of our members don't see a huge benefit to the larger organization. Probably the single biggest and best benefit is meeting the members of other local units. Very few of our members go the the international. There's just not much interest in except for a few who are trying to inject new blood into the leadership. Kind of a Don Quixote thing maybe. I wish them the best but frankly, I find many other ways to beat by head against a wall with better results.
I read all the comments so far and only a couple know what they are writing about. The rest are uniformed, too cheap to even being a contributing member here, clearly don't like people, or people don't like them so they don't see any reason to socialize beyond Facebook, the narcissists playground. Sorry, my rant drifted a little off course.
None the less, I stay in the organization because of all the wonderful and generous people we have met traveling the US. For example, the organizers of the Mardi Gras and Albuquerque Balloon Festival have worked so hard to put on a premiere event, that I feel both obligated and privileged to support their efforts.
I about fell off my chair laughing so hard at your comment "maybe we should bring a defibrillator". YES the bulk of the members we met at Top of Georgia Airstream Park were that old!!!! Yet there were younger folks also at that park, gay couples, families, and I assure you that the Top of Georgia WBCCI property in Helen Georgia is NOT a concrete jungle! Happy to be a member and explore all that membership offers and all the knowledge gained from the old timers!
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We simply did not renew our membership because it provided no value other than a periodic newsletter. Numerous times we tried to register for a caravan and they were always full; very disappointing because the WBCCI representative at Alumapalooza emphasized caravans.
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Old 09-05-2017, 09:10 AM   #123
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Numerous times we tried to register for a caravan and they were always full; very disappointing because the WBCCI representative at Alumapalooza emphasized caravans.
I still belong to WBCCI, but I'm on my third different Unit membership, having decided that the first two Units I tried were not a good fit for me.

There are plenty of WBCCI members who tell me "It's all about the caravans." But I can't live my life by signing up for a caravan two years from now and then having to wait the next 23 months to find out whether enough people have dropped out for me to move up the waiting list into a vacant spot.

If I'm going to make plans that far in advance, I'm going to plan on sure things, not on maybe-if-I'm-lucky happenstance. Planning on being lucky is like not planning at all, only worse.

The caravan situation is not helped by people who sign up for nearly EVERY caravan— because they want to go on one and it doesn't much matter to them WHICH one— and then cancel out on all the others many months later once they actually make it into a vacant spot on one of them. And in fact it was a caravan leader who advised me to use that tactic, and told me it was the way it's always done.

So I've decided, no WBCCI caravans for me, ever. Can't miss what I never had. And I know from experience, it's not all about the caravans. It's about the rallies. Rallies are easy to sign up for, and you usually know right away if you have a spot.
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Old 09-05-2017, 10:58 AM   #124
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Will someone please edit "To many rules" to "Too many rules"?
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Will someone please edit "To many rules" to "Too many rules"?
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Will someone please edit "To many rules" to "Too many rules"?
Only if you can tell us which rule it's breaking…
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