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Old 05-10-2006, 09:40 PM   #15
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For those of you who haven't seen a blue beret yet, here's a photo I took at the International Rally held in Vermont in 2003 that shows many berets at opening ceremonies.
Well, I'm not an officer or delegate, so I'm in the clear. I haven't worn a white dress shirt in probably 15 years, don't plan to start that again!
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:50 PM   #16
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I spent a year as pres. of WDCU and never even tried on a Beret or white shirt and tie. Check out the picture on the bottom of our rally page here
http://www.servintfree.net/wbcci-dc/index06.html that's our past pres. Garnet at an official meeting.
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Old 05-11-2006, 12:05 AM   #17
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But Doug, he's asleep. For all we know, his beret fell off.
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Old 05-11-2006, 06:12 AM   #18
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I get the idea that this unit is just trying to make change for the better in WBCCI. Whether or not wearing the blue beret is written into the code or not, there's at least a perception by some officers and members that it's mandatory and I think this motion is just an honest attempt to bring this problem to light and address it within the formal WBCCI government. Whether you like the beret or not, the unit that's bringing the motion forward should be commended for starting somewhere... anywhere to get WBCCI to loosen up on the formalities within the club that are keeping new members from joining. (Hey, it got Silvertwinkie's attention. )
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Old 05-11-2006, 06:36 AM   #19
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...Whether or not wearing the blue beret is written into the code or not, there's at least a perception by some officers and members that it's mandatory...
Yes, I have heard about this from some WBCCI members I have met in my travels. One person indicated to me that they were actually sent back to their trailer to change their clothes before the start of a business meeting because they were dressed "too informally" in their jeans.
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Old 05-11-2006, 09:44 AM   #20
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Governance by perception is an abrogation of due diligence.

A member who is improperly denied access to a meeting where his vote would count creates legal cause to invalidate any decisions made in that meeting.

If you wonder why WBCCI is on a downhill slide, you have several examples here to consider. There is no courage to stand for doing what is right. There is no diligence to work through perceptions to find out what the basis really is and how it should properly be addressed. Yet there is the courage to summon the bigotry necessary to deny a member his rights in the participation in the organization's business. And you also have a number of folks who attempt to make jokes about something that appears to be a trviality on the surface but is important enough for a leader to attempt to invoke constitutional process.

The health of any association or organization is the sum of many insignificant, even trivial, things. These convey an 'attitude' and a culture. Attempts to solve a problem of perception as if it were a constitutional issue while ignoring the exclusionary practices of some members are some of the things that do not foster health and prosperity of the association.
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:22 AM   #21
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Governance by perception is an abrogation of due diligence.
Sorry...this sentence is logorrhea to me. Could you restate this in layman's terms?

If I'm reading this correctly, I think you are saying that the members who are not exercising due diligence on the club and its rules and regulations have allowed the issues, raised earlier related to governing by perception, to continue. Is that correct?
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:54 AM   #22
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Ya' know, it really doesn't help to make accusations about "pathologically excessive (and often incoherent) talking" - you are likely to be sending the wrong message if you are really after clarification.

Governance is what elected representatives in an association do. It is a responsibility they assume when they agree to take office.

Perceptions are what people think they see

abrogation means 'do away' or 'set aside'

Due diligence means paying proper attention to facts and finding out how good your perceptions really are so you can make good decisions.

To make a sound decision means finding out what words mean, finding out what the facts really are, and finding out how things really work. Those who govern an association are obligated to make sound decisions and the process is called due diligence. For them to not dig into issues and to make decisions without an honest effort to know what is going on and carefully considering all potential side effects and implications are neglecting this duty.

Members also have duties and responsibilities, too. And these should not be ignored, either.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:10 AM   #23
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Ya' know, it really doesn't help to make accusations about "pathologically excessive (and often incoherent) talking" - you are likely to be sending the wrong message if you are really after clarification...
There are multiple definitions for "logorrhea" but I suspect I didn't choose the correct word to convey my message that I didn't know what your sentence meant. The definition of the word I was using was "wordiness". You are correct in that "pathologically excessive and often incoherent talking" is another definition but not the one I was using.

Thanks for clarifying!
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For those of you who haven't seen a blue beret yet, here's a photo I took at the International Rally held in Vermont in 2003 that shows many berets at opening ceremonies.
Oh lord, it looks like the pep meeting before they turn the door to door sales staff out on the streets! I've not seen that many white shirts at one time since I left the bank...

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Old 05-11-2006, 11:17 AM   #25
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There are WBCCI members who are working to clarify and put into motion that the wearing of berets be stated as optional. Contact your unit president with your "heady" concerns. I too would like to see more informality, or a manner of dress as 65GT mentioned before of polos replacing shirt, tie and coat. I don't think anyone wears red coats anymore except for theatre ushers. :-0 Berets would look a whole lot better, intermittently dispersed, if if weren't part of the "package" that gives one culture shock.
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Old 05-11-2006, 03:46 PM   #26
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For those who have not been to International there is a day when you are encouraged to wear your beret. I don't have a problem with them for ceremonial purposes, but don't send me back to my trailer to get one for a unit meeting! That's just absurd it's after all a camping club!
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Old 05-11-2006, 06:15 PM   #27
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... It seems absurd to me to have folks trying to modify the Constitution or Bylaws or even Policies to remove something that doesn't even exist.
I think the point is to make this a policy (i.e., optional beret wear) to clarify misconceptions in some units.
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Old 05-11-2006, 07:31 PM   #28
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The problem with any rule or policy regarding appropriate dress is that it opens a can of worms. That is very likely why the bylaws are stated the way they are now and that event dress is left to a matter of protocol.

Here in Nevada, we pick on the poor San Jose dude who shows up in polyester slacks at a rally. Some folks are trying to train him in the fact that jeans and no tie are the appropriate Nevada Rally Uniform. (even our geeks have this figured) And you need a real hat, too as the high desert sun is not kind. (It really gets serious when we have to train them about how to pronounce the vowels in Nevada). - But we don't exclude anyone and are really tickled when we get picked on right back.

One key here is that the problem isn't the blue beret but rather those who won't tolerate your attending an event unless you dress the way they think you ought to. You don't want to hit them over the head any more than they are hitting those who don't dress they way they like are getting hit over the head.

Want to do something? Start with the committee creating the protocol book. Maybe have their boss (the exec committee) have a bit of a sit down to figure things out. Make the protocol book public and not secret. A minor change in a word here and there plus a bit of education and you'd like have that problem solved. Talk to people!

Communicate with folks about priorities so they better understand what WBCCI is all about and what contributes and what does not. When stories such as have been described here surface, get after them and correct the situation. That doesn't take rules or policies, it takes education and initiative and courage to act as needed - and a willingness to listen.

Yes indeed there are some limits. I don't know of any nudist intra club and we tend to discourage behavior that parents would not consider appropriate for the presence of their children. But even those concerns are best handled in other ways. You just gotta' figure out what is important and what isn't.

But you don't want to go after gnats with a sledgehammer.
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