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Old 07-14-2008, 11:02 AM   #71
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I suspect also that it is being done for political reasons and perhaps for a little vengence. Jim seems to really dislike the " bloggers". I wonder if he is aware that we are not technically bloggers, we are more like posters.
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:18 AM   #72
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I suspect also that it is being done for political reasons and perhaps for a little vengence. Jim seems to really dislike the " bloggers". I wonder if he is aware that we are not technically bloggers, we are more like posters.
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:30 AM   #73
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Getting along with "Them"

I too think there is a change coming about in WBCCI. New generation etc, etc, etc,. We can maintain our "cool" while we bring this thing about.

Once, many years ago, my father gave me some really good advice for dealing with situations like this one.

He said, "Yes them to death, then do as you damn well please." I have found that to be very good advice. What "they" want to hear is "YES SIR". So, let them hear it, then do as you please.

Go camping, caravaning and have fun. They will be gone, and we will still be camping, caravaning and having fun.

'nuff said.
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:48 PM   #74
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I too think there is a change coming about in WBCCI. New generation etc, etc, etc,. We can maintain our "cool" while we bring this thing about.

Once, many years ago, my father gave me some really good advice for dealing with situations like this one.

He said, "Yes them to death, then do as you damn well please." I have found that to be very good advice. What "they" want to hear is "YES SIR". So, let them hear it, then do as you please.

Go camping, caravaning and have fun. They will be gone, and we will still be camping, caravaning and having fun.

'nuff said.
Jim,

Great advise, yes sir and smile. Sometimes better to beg for forgiveness rather than to ask permission. I spoke with several Region Presidents this year in Bozeman and all of them were great and one even said wait for the WWII generation to leave, changes will happen. Most of the Region Presidents were at the VAC open house and most of them were at the VAC happy hour on July 2 and they supplied the appetizers, unfortunately, we had already planned to leave that day for our trip to Glacier NP. I am sorry that we missed that happy hour.

One other item about IBT cooperation. On Sunday, June 29, the date of the VAC open house, I mentioned to one Region President that the only trash dumpster in Purple 1 and 2 was overflowing and trash was being placed around the dumpster. I stated that I realized that is was Sunday, but if there was some way to get the dumpster emptied and a second one delivered it would be great. He stated that Norm Beu, 3rd IVP and in charge of grounds, was at the open house and he would find Norm. In less that three hours, someone and their wife appeared with a pickup truck and picked up the trash around the dumpster and on Monday a second dumpster was delivered and the first one was emptied. I thank everyone who made this happen.

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Old 07-14-2008, 01:37 PM   #75
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Mom's advice

Once I was having in-law problems which I won't go into here. Mom gave me this advice. I followed it and it ended my in-law problems.

"Sometimes you have to loose the battle in order to win the war."

Kind of goes along with what Dad said.

They were great parents. I miss them both.
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Old 07-14-2008, 01:46 PM   #76
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What would Dr. Phil say about this Bru ha ha?

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Once I was having in-law problems which I won't go into here. Mom gave me this advice. I followed it and it ended my in-law problems.

"Sometimes you have to loose the battle in order to win the war."

Kind of goes along with what Dad said.

They were great parents. I miss them both.
In other words...... Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?
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Old 07-14-2008, 03:20 PM   #77
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The in-law issue

The in-laws wanted an issue to go their way, I didn't. I felt it was my business, not theirs. They were willing to make a 2500 mile trip each way to come to California to "get their way". I resolved the issue "their way" before they left for their trip, but did not tell them. I let them make the trip.
When they got here, I had the pleasure of telling them that the issue had been resolved. There was dead silence. They never again butted into my business. They got the message fast, real fast.

That's loosing the battle to win the war. There was no more war with those folks. After that we got along just fine.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:18 PM   #78
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Maybe I'll join just so we can tag team the grievence committee.
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Old 07-14-2008, 08:50 PM   #79
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Was that Don and not Jim?

[ He come from a mentality of a strong militaristic stance - remember him telling people to "stand down" at the 2006 delegates meeting. Who says "stand down"?
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I think that was Don S and not Jim F but I could be wrong. but a Stand Down is a Stand Down.
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I have been reading this thread with a great deal of interest. My wife and I ( and the two kids) recently purchased our first Airstream, a long time dream fulfilled. As a 30's couple WITH children we are the very people the WBCCI should be encouraging and recruiting. To be sure every decision we make includes our children and if the club creates an atmosphere or perception that children are not welcome we will not be interested. We intend to join our regional organization but may hold out to see how it goes to join the international. I would hate to think an organization created for enjoyment, fellowship and entertainment would stifle the very opinions that may keep it alive. Change is inevitable, refreshing and necessary if the next generation will find the WBCCI worth saving, and I really hope that is the case. Regardless, owning an Airstream is special not because it is the most expensive but because it is unique, it has class and an amazing history. It would be interesting to create a thread (a running list) of ideas that could improve the WBCCI to increase new membership.

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Old 07-14-2008, 09:21 PM   #81
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This is an insightful discussion, and like many new A/Sers we're wondering if we're ready to look seriously at membership. We have a number of WBCCI units in the region, but the majority of their web pages/activity lists tend to support the notion of little to interest a couple in our late 40s.

Also, as one of quite a few former military folks in the group, the idea of significant ceremony and wearing uniforms is familiar, but not really desirable.

I'm going to join a rally of my parents old no-name RV club this coming weekend. Their club was once based on the old Shasta brand, yet evolved to an open membership (to include two A/S's) and no manufacturer focus. I think trying an Air Forums rally, and just gettin' together, sounds like the best course for the near future.
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I have been reading this thread with a great deal of interest. My wife and I ( and the two kids) recently purchased our first Airstream, a long time dream fulfilled. As a 30's couple WITH children we are the very people the WBCCI should be encouraging and recruiting. To be sure every decision we make includes our children and if the club creates an atmosphere or perception that children are not welcome we will not be interested. We intend to join our regional organization but may hold out to see how it goes to join the international. I would hate to think an organization created for enjoyment, fellowship and entertainment would stifle the very opinions that may keep it alive. Change is inevitable, refreshing and necessary if the next generation will find the WBCCI worth saving, and I really hope that is the case. Regardless, owning an Airstream is special not because it is the most expensive but because it is unique, it has class and an amazing history. It would be interesting to create a thread (a running list) of ideas that could improve the WBCCI to increase new membership.

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Old 07-14-2008, 09:28 PM   #83
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We enjoy ALL aspects of the Forums,

for us it IS the definitive Airstream community.

We HELP each other.

Is it sometimes confrontational?, sure it is, big deal, how else can we

learn anything?

I truly believe this Forum has helped more Newbies than any other AS

community. Expand the base...thats what it's all about, thats what good

for everyone.

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If it were to come down to making a choice between the Forum, and WBCCI, I CHOOSE THE FORUM! Sorry Jim.
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Old 07-14-2008, 09:49 PM   #84
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I like the forums as well, but I am a WBCCI member and I support the WBCCI, but not it's leadership as long as that leadership means scuttling the club.
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