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Old 07-13-2008, 08:53 PM   #57
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I have said this before and I'll say it again...it didn't used to be this way. I began my A/S experience when I was a a kid in 1963 or so. My Grandparents and their peers were not like the current group running the show. Those old time Airstreamers were adventurous folks. Look at all the Central American, Mexican, African (yes, there was more than one), etc. caravans they did. You look at those old pics of Wally in his beret and a leather jacket with fringe (ala David Crosby) and an old pair of boots and you know what was important to them. Adventure, camping and friendships...that was what was important to them. If they were alive today they would be appalled at the current leadership. What is going on today is not what those original Airstreamers had in mind. Imagine one of the current "upper echelon" folks knee deep in mud building a bridge over some river in Thailand...no way, they couldn't do it...they wouldn't do it. They are not made of the same stuff. It's past time to go back to the original vision of Wally. Let's camp, have great adventures and make lifetime friends.
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Well, I think we should be cautious just a little - they haven't indicated that Bob would be kicked out. Only Jim Franklin is suggesting that and to tell the truth, if Jim wants to start with anybody - let him try to kick me out. I am a co-founder of SaveWally and we all know that SaveWally has been outspoken in it's views of the leadership. Bob is an impassioned guy and probably reached the end of his rope when he wrote the letter he did and ticked off a few people.
Jim can have me if he can take me. I don't think he can. But filing grievances on every member who speaks up with passion, weather right or wrong, does that REALLY warrent a grievance? Not to me.

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I cant believe they are thinking about kicking this guy out of the club. I could see it if he had endangered others lives but I dont think that was the case? It's just a camping club supposed to be fun. I think I will stick around here and let the big boys fight it out.....SAM
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:15 PM   #59
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Well, I think we should be cautious just a little - they haven't indicated that Bob would be kicked out. Only Jim Franklin is suggesting that and to tell the truth, if Jim wants to start with anybody - let him try to kick me out. I am a co-founder of SaveWally and we all know that SaveWally has been outspoken in it's views of the leadership. Bob is an impassioned guy and probably reached the end of his rope when he wrote the letter he did and ticked off a few people.
Jim can have me if he can take me. I don't think he can. But filing grievances on every member who speaks up with passion, weather right or wrong, does that REALLY warrent a grievance? Not to me.
oops I misunderstood I guess I should pay more attention It is crazy that they even have a committee I think they are all grown folks it's supposed to be fun....SAM
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:27 PM   #60
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Na - you understood just fine - there are two issues on this thread - Jim Franklin's desires to kick people out of the club and Jim Franklin's grievances against outspoken members. The issues do blend together in that Jim is filing grievances AND Jim wants to kick out members.
Jim has little chance if any of having anybody kicked out because I thing you can hear the frustration in the responses he is getting over this. Listen to the audio and you will hear it. I hope thatthe IBT will become frustrated with Jim's aggressive stances and work around him. He is like a bull in a china ship and his people skills are not that good. He come from a mentality of a strong militaristic stance - remember him telling people to "stand down" at the 2006 delegates meeting. Who says "stand down"?
Anyway, I think Jim might be viewed as a stuffed shirt and his efforts bypassed - that is my hope, assuming that the IBT is trying to be more progressive.

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oops I misunderstood I guess I should pay more attention It is crazy that they even have a committee I think they are all grown folks it's supposed to be fun....SAM
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:38 PM   #61
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Umm...Not that I want to foment insurrection, but why couldn't somebody file a grievance against Jim? I don't want to stoop to his level, but aren't there ways to do this? Maybe several people? At the same time?
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:53 PM   #62
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That's the thing, any one member can file a grievance and then the Grievance Committee has no choice but to have a hearing. There's nothing that allows them to bypass a frivolous complaint, and all complaints must be dealt with.

I doubt there will be any sanction taken against Thompson, and I know for a fact that Jim Franklin has burned down a lot of his bridges. Even when he was Int'l President some of his own Chairmen used an expletive to describe him, and that was startling to me to hear a grandmother use such language. But that is how much they despised him.

What we are not fully understanding is that many of the older members of the WBCCI believe that you should always support the office even if you don't care for the office holder. We should not confuse one with the other.

It will be interesting to see if Franklin chairs any committee this following year. Quite often past presidents are utilized in that fashion, but if Franklin ends up not chairing anything then that will be proof positive to me that he is on the outside.
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Old 07-13-2008, 10:02 PM   #63
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Does anyone else think it is absurd that a camping club has a "Grievance Committee"?
Yeah.

What's worse is they once thought there was a need for it.
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Old 07-13-2008, 10:03 PM   #64
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The Blue Beret speaks for itself. It reads like a newsletter from a nursing home.

A camping club that wears suits and ties and has a flag parade. Give me a break! I want to hear about Airstreams, not a crafts and quilting show.

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Old 07-13-2008, 11:33 PM   #65
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We belong to three other organizations that have their own publications. National Street Rod Association has "Street Scene", Goodguys Rod and Custom has the "Goodguys Gazette". Both of these organizations have nearly 100,000 members each, so their publications are what you would expect.

A couple of years ago we joined the "American Kitefliers Association" (AKA). They have only 4,000 members world wide. Their magazine "Kiting" is only quarterly, but usually has about 60 pages, most all in full color, featuring photos from kite festivals all over the world. AKA is broken into regions, much like WBCCI. The Representative from each region submits a part-page "report", usually with color photos, about activities in their region. Fabulous publication. Dues? $35 per year. Insurance? $1,000,000 for individuals flying at sanctioned events. 10% discount at kite stores. $400 can go real fast on good kite stuff, and you get your dues back.

You should see their annual International Convention. WOW!!

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WBCCI doomed for failure

I've been lurking the WBCCI stuff on this forum for a while now without commenting. We bought our trailer used last year and the previous owner gave us a couple of their more recent copies of the Blue Beret plus our "new" trailer still had their red numbers attached.

My wife and I did gasp at the "look and feel" of the Blue Beret but we shut our eyes and went ahead due to my interest in getting our own red numbers and joined the WBCCI along with the WDCU group.

We even talked at length with the unit about activities to get involved with etc.

What really turned us off was last year's IBT International. We were close enough to attend but didn't, however, we did listen to the meetings via the internet. We were shocked when we actually began reading the club rule book.

Even though everyone here that are members keep saying we're sticking around to make changes, the rules are written in a way that its practically impossible to make any.

Then when I looked at how much money goes to the IBT and NOT to the local unit was the final decider for me. We would have renewed if the ratio was the other way around.

As I see it, the WBCCI is doomed to failure as there is not enough time to make the changes needed to attract new members and the funds will no longer be sufficient to continue the current operation.

Its a shame as the Airstream history is unique to the industry and when we're traveling in ours, whether driving down the road or staying in a campground, you know others are watching with envy. Yet, the WBCCI can't retain or grow its membership? Questions?
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I'll probably get tossed out on my virtual ear for this, but I think we should remove the rules, and replace them with a simplified vesrion, consisting of two rules:
1-Go camping
2-Have fun doing it.
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I sort of doubt that WBCCI is doomed for failure, but it is doomed to change. The WBCCI is undergoing major generational change and the accompanying changes to budget and organization. In this sense, it is not unlke other organizations that I've belonged to, including especially my old department, the grad school, and other larger units of the university. It is a glacially slow process, much like aging itself, but it is happening, undeniably. The process also provides lots of opportunity: If you've got ideas on how to change things or to create things anew, jump in there. One need go no further than the Four Corners Unit to observe the result.

Unlike university units, though, the WBCCI organization and its units are intended to provide Airstreaming fun (aka camping) and fellowship, and even while undergoing change, that's exactly what the WBCCI provides for us.


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I sort of doubt that WBCCI is doomed for failure, but it is doomed to change. The WBCCI is undergoing major generational change and the accompanying changes to budget and organization. In this sense, it is not unlke other organizations that I've belonged to, including especially my old department, the grad school, and other larger units of the university. It is a glacially slow process, much like aging itself, but it is happening, undeniably. The process also provides lots of opportunity: If you've got ideas on how to change things or to create things anew, jump in there. One need go no further than the Four Corners Unit to observe the result.

Unlike university units, though, the WBCCI organization and its units are intended to provide Airstreaming fun (aka camping) and fellowship, and even while undergoing change, that's exactly what the WBCCI provides for us.


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Fortunately universities have plenty of state and federal funds to support their operations, however, the WBCCI is solely funded by "private" membership fees. If the membership continues to decline due to the "perceived" inefficiencies of the corporate board running the club, then how long can the organization stay afloat before the necessary changes can be made?

One only has to look at GM, Ford and other US manufacturers that have failed to make the necessary changes to remain competitive in our world economy. Is the WBCCI any different?
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The Member filing these charges for political reasons is not acting in the best intrests of our Club.

I trust the committee and the IBT will not validate his actions. If they do it will send a very negative message to the membership.

I encourage any Member who is unhappy with the direction of the Club to make the sacrifice and effort to run for office. It won't take very long before the direction changes.
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