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Old 07-13-2008, 11:18 AM   #43
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I just want to camp. I just want to continue to meet all the great people in the VAC....what a wonderful group! I have been to a couple of WBCCI meetings and have enjoyed them too.......sigh....seems like everywhere you go people just don't get along any more.

I am optimistic though. WBCCI will evolve and "land" one day. The VAC will continue to grow. Gas prices....well....who knows. But, as long as I own an Airstream, I will support the clubs I belong to and get involved when I can.

I hope all involved find a way to work through these challenges with WBCCI and that we can all rise above the negativity.
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Old 07-13-2008, 11:18 AM   #44
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Can you provide a copy? Scan it as I would like to see what one of these things look like. Heck it might be in my "In Box" and I don't even know it!
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I can not at this time. As soon as I have permission I would be glad to. I think people would benefit greatly from the experience in a way in that I am sure a lot will come to light throughout the process.
Who's "permission" and what "process" are you referring to?

If this has actually happened to individuals in the recent past for the reasons you suggest, as members we all need to know and be presented with the details...Otherwise, you are just stirring the pot with rumor and innuendo, which serves no good purpose.

As Ed said, I would like to see one of these.
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Old 07-13-2008, 11:31 AM   #45
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Like I said - as soon as I get permission I will or perhaps the individuals will do it themselves. But as privacy has been requested, you will have to settle for the rumor and innuendo. Sorry, best I can do but eventually it will all come out. I agree that this should be public - you are preaching to the choir. I mention it because like others issues the club has faced, word doesn't travel very quickly if at all. You all know the issue is there in this case and you all will have to be patient. The goods will be coming.
Actually, one of them is already out there - I forgot. I have not seen the grievance yet but you can read about it on SaveWally. Bob Thompson has a grievance filed against him for a scathing letter he wrote about the direction the club is going. I am waiting to see that but it has been publicly acknowledged that it has been filed. The other(s) you will have to wait.... read about it on SaveWally.
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Old 07-13-2008, 11:35 AM   #46
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This may not be all bad. The WBCCI could morph into a Thor camper club, and these Forums will remain as the difinative Airstream Club of the future.
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This has been the obvious conclusion from the day I joined the Forum. The numbers speak for themselves.

Considering the vote on the name change I would say 50% or more of the WBCCI members that voted would follow the Forum.

The question is would Thor support a dwindling club made up of individuals buying any of their products or would the Airstream division switch allegiance and follow the numbers.

Having owned an Airstream for 14 years I only joined 2 years ago to continue my deceased uncles, a past Watchung unit President, numbers. In that time I have attended several forum rallies and one WBCCI rally. One was enough. That rally had the honor of having Mr. Carson in attendance. He succeeded in driving a none WBCCI member guest I had brought to the rally away in less than 12 hours, 8 of which we were asleep. The following year Mr. Carson was national membership chairman. I am amazed there were any new members that year.

When I first read Mr. Franklin's proposal it reminded me of a series I had just seen on the history of the second World War in which they followed the similarities between the method used by WWII-era political figures to remove opposition. I guess Mr. Franklin watched the same series.
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Old 07-13-2008, 12:36 PM   #47
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OK, here's the deal. We press people who don't want to be club president into service. That's the prime qualification--don't want it. I suggest Buttercup and 2Air. Boy, would things change! Instead of coats and ties and berets, it would be tutus and combat boots with plenty of pirate flags... I'm sure there are others even more qualified!

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Old 07-13-2008, 12:57 PM   #48
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You are fascinated by the tutu - aren't you? I can tell you how to order your own! Very comfortable and cool in the hot desert air out on the playa.
It would be fun to see the club have a costume night. Maybe we should plan something like that for next year's VAC at Madison - Hmmmm...
If I were president I would certainly do things differently!
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:27 PM   #49
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OK, We are a 60s yr old couple that just got into Air Streams, the WBCCI and this forum this past year. Do we see a problem in the WBCCI?? Yes, we do. Although the folks we know are friendly, pleasant, interesting, adventersome and warmly welcomed us once we joined, we do feel like the youngsters in the group. Fortunately we have not yet been made to sit at the children's table at recent rallys.

Maybe the membership decline is due to old age, a group mentality that life stopped 30 yrs ago and the fact that membership has to be solicited, not offered. We found out about the WBCCI by accident, as we did with the VAC. Why isn't there more said about these groups?? Where are our dues going that some can't be used to educate the general RV population and Air Streamers about these groups??

Eliminating dissent just hastens the decline of an organization. Maybe, the Leadership needs to seek out new ideas and activities for and from its members. Threatening expulsion does nothing but create the equivalent of the Stepford Wives, and we all know what happened there. This organization needs to be run from the bottom up ( the members driving the club, not the club pushing its agenda ). The club must respond to what the members want rather than what the leadership "Thinks" the membership should have. When was the last time a survey of the members was accomplished?? How many people were approached by the Leadership at the Bozeman Rally and asked what it is they want or need in this club?? It is possible the membership wants to maintain the status Quo, but no one knows cause no one has taken the time to find out. Once someone takes the time to gather this vital information it has to be shared with the membership and a honest and civil discussion encouraged. The failure to gather and share reliable information is what will destory an organization faster than anything else.

Our WBCCI membership number is at the end of this message. If someone feels we are a disruptive influence in the WBCCI then feel free to take whatever action you think is necessary. To paraphase Woody Allen, who would not belong to any club that would have him, we wouldn't want to be part of an organization that tells us how to think.

We will continue to enjoy our Air Stream and the WBCCI members who continue to see us, even secretly, and we will continue to attend Forum rallys and enjoy the folks there.

The WBCCI can be a major voice in the RV community today, or it can wither and die and be remembered along with 55 cents a gallon gas. The choice rests with those of us willing to step up and be counted not with those who are willing to stand by and do nothing.
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:37 PM   #50
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For a little more info, there is some discussion oner on WBCCI's web site on the grievance on Bob Thompson.
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:52 PM   #51
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OK, We are a 60s yr old couple that just got into Air Streams, the WBCCI and this forum this past year. Do we see a problem in the WBCCI?? Yes, we do. Although the folks we know are friendly, pleasant, interesting, adventersome and warmly welcomed us once we joined, we do feel like the youngsters in the group.
Imagine how those of us in our 40's and younger feel about joining! As I said before, one look at the Blue Beret sealed the deal for me. There is nothing there that appeals to a person of my generation. I mean, think of it this way, I'm the product of the punk rock era, so you can see where there might be problems


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To paraphase Woody Allen, who would not belong to any club that would have him, we wouldn't want to be part of an organization that tells us how to think.
I believe that you are thinking of Grouch Marx.
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:19 PM   #52
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Dose anyone else think it is absurd that a camping club has a "Grievance Committee"?
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:27 PM   #53
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Well, sounds like it keeps them busy anyway.
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:29 PM   #54
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Dose anyone else think it is absurd that a camping club has a "Grievance Committee"?
I think it would be more appropriate if the camping club had a Master At Arms for rallies. He (or she) could be judge, jury, and "executioner", and no grievances would be needed.
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:38 PM   #55
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I think it would be more appropriate if the camping club had a Master At Arms for rallies. He (or she) could be judge, jury, and "executioner", and no grievances would be needed.
Time for the Kevlar Blue Beret.
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:44 PM   #56
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I cant believe they are thinking about kicking this guy out of the club. I could see it if he had endangered others lives but I dont think that was the case? It's just a camping club supposed to be fun. I think I will stick around here and let the big boys fight it out.....SAM
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