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Old 10-01-2010, 09:53 AM   #1
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WBCCI's Forums Down?

It looks like the WBCCI's forums have been shut down. Using the direct link does not work and the link off WBCCI's site - http://wbcci.org/forum.html - says that it was shut down. Looks like it was shut down sometime late yesterday or early this morning.
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The club forum is closed until further notice. The Executive Committee and the Electronic Communications Standing Committee regret having to take this action. The course to be taken to provide another option for club membership discussions will be posted here and in the Blue Beret as it develops.
I, of course, am very curious about what is happening..... and why.
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Old 10-01-2010, 10:23 AM   #2
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Perhaps a new one is in the works without you know who running it!
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Old 10-01-2010, 10:44 AM   #3
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I, and I am sure many others have repeatedly suggested that the forum needed to be scrapped and another start made which is under the control of the WBCCI, not an outside vendor. It is my personal feeling that Charlie had the best of intentions and just made a bad decision in the direction he went. Perhaps that decision will be corrected now?

I get a "server not found" message, which is better than being re directed to a site selling used trailers like happened to region 3.
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Old 10-01-2010, 11:42 AM   #4
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Well, WBCCI has control of the domain name, so they can have the subdomain point to anywhere. I think it is likely that WBCCI just deleted the subdomain so that it would no longer exist.
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Old 10-01-2010, 11:58 AM   #5
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Interesting. I have no idea why they would need to shut it down, it seems they were pretty tight on control already. If the WBCCI owned the data, it would certainly seem like a step backwards to loose the knowledge that had already been shared.

Over the years we have seen various forums/bulletin boards come and go from the club. I'd like to extend an offer to them (again) to piggy back off our resources and use AIR as a place for them to chat. Managing a forum is not cheap or easy, why keep repeating the same mistake?
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Old 10-01-2010, 03:56 PM   #6
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Official statement as found on the main WBCCI site.

http://wbcci.org/forum.html

The club forum is closed until further notice. The Executive Committee and the Electronic Communications Standing Committee regret having to take this action. The course to be taken to provide another option for club membership discussions will be posted here and in the Blue Beret as it develops.

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Old 10-01-2010, 04:30 PM   #7
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How about unofficially Twink? When and how were you notified and do you think you will be a moderator in the future when the new forums open?
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I don't think we will ever hear why the forums were shut down exactly. But I have a few guesses.....
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Old 10-01-2010, 05:24 PM   #9
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I have no additional information official or otherwise to share on the subject. If anyone has further questions about it, I would encourage any WBCCI member to contact their leadership through the established channels.

I have not been asked to participate in any future WBCCI endeavor, nor have been told either way if a replacement WBCCI electronic community will be forthcoming.

Personally, my sense is that given the rosy relationship I've seen between Social Knowledge, WBCCI and Airstream itself, hell might have to freeze over before anyone seriously considered any type of serious partnership, but keep in mind I don't speak for WBCCI, Airstream and for sure don't speak for Social Knowledge, but anyone that has followed the forums over the past few years and kept their eyes and ears in the community could possibly draw the same conclusion.
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Personally, my sense is that given the rosy relationship I've seen between Social Knowledge, WBCCI and Airstream itself, hell might have to freeze over before anyone seriously considered any type of serious partnership, but keep in mind I don't speak for WBCCI, Airstream and for sure don't speak for Social Knowledge, but anyone that has followed the forums over the past few years and kept their eyes and ears in the community could possibly draw the same conclusion.
I am not sure what you are talking about. We have a fine relationship with Airstream, Inc. As for the WBCCI, I don't know of any issues with them either. Heck, the management team of AIR has more WBCCI members leading this community then their own forums did!

Maybe you are alluding to the fact that we have allowed controversial topics to be discussed as long as the conversations remained civil. I am sure some organizations that where criticized in those discussions probably don't enjoy the open dialoged that is allowed here. You don't blame the phone company for the conversations that happen or the email providers for what people send via email so don't blame us for providing a channel for Airstreamers to communicate.
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Most likely no official notice will ever be forthcoming but I suspect the evidence will be in a new cast of characters.

I will notice the change when I am allowed to sign on again.
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Social Knowledge, LLC has done nothing to WBCCI but offer to help the community as Andy just did today. That isn't the first time I have seen that offer and others made to WBCCI. As far as I can see, the only reason that the relationship is not rosy has little to do with Social Knowledge itself. Perhaps WBCCI may not like the opinions expressed on AirForums.com, but it is not Social Knowledge's responsibility to run a forums in a way that WBCCI sees fit.
So I see that statement as more a testament to WBCCI's unwillingness to embrace the Airstream community at large rather than see it as some fault of Social Knowledge. WBCCI caters to a demographic that is very different than the general membership of these forums.
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I am not sure what you are talking about. We have a fine relationship with Airstream, Inc. As for the WBCCI, I don't know of any issues with them either. Heck, the management team of AIR has more WBCCI members leading this community then their own forums did!

Maybe you are alluding to the fact that we have allowed controversial topics to be discussed as long as the conversations remained civil. I am sure some organizations that where criticized in those discussions probably don't enjoy the open dialoged that is allowed here. You don't blame the phone company for the conversations that happen or the email providers for what people send via email so don't blame us for providing a channel for Airstreamers to communicate.
Of course you don't know what I'm talking about. I've said my bit and stand by every word, I will simply say you have a somewhat selective memory Andy, but it's your forum, you get to keep whatever truths you see fit.

We'll just have to agree to disagree and see how the "fine" relationship(s) continue to develop and if anyone takes you up on your generous, gracious and selfless offer(s).
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Social Knowledge, LLC has done nothing to WBCCI but offer to help the community as Andy just did today. That isn't the first time I have seen that offer and others made to WBCCI. As far as I can see, the only reason that the relationship is not rosy has little to do with Social Knowledge itself. Perhaps WBCCI may not like the opinions expressed on AirForums.com, but it is not Social Knowledge's responsibility to run a forums in a way that WBCCI sees fit.
So I see that statement as more a testament to WBCCI's unwillingness to embrace the Airstream community at large rather than see it as some fault of Social Knowledge. WBCCI caters to a demographic that is very different than the general membership of these forums.
Sure Leo, right, I mean who in their right mind would ever have taken offense or note that one of the mods here on this forum suggesting that the leadership of WBCCI should be castrated, or comparing some aspects to WBCCI's organization to Hugo Chavez. Need I go on? I think not, as I said, I'll leave this to you all to hash out. You keep thinkin' the way you do Tim. It's done wonders for you to date. I've said more than I intended to say and am officially off any subject having to do with WBCCI for a while. Folks have a long memory if other(s) don't, but who knows what the future will hold....anything is possible as time heals all wounds......eventually......
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