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Old 02-01-2008, 05:36 PM   #57
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Total unit count

I have been asked by another member how many units showed a decline in membership.

There are 137 units in WBCCI

The 4cu is new so it shows no increase or decrease because this is the first year of operation.Looks like next year it will be showing an increase.

So,there are 136 units to report on,

49 units showed an increase
75 units showed a decrease
12 units remained unchanged
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Just curious, how did the MAL (000) numbers change?
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:29 PM   #59
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Just curious, how did the MAL (000) numbers change?
See post #21 of this thread
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Just curious, how did the MAL (000) numbers change?
also add another 10-30 to this count...

since it does not include new PALS (people/participants/party'rs at large) joining in nov/dec...

or those of US that intentionally re-up late to avoid the directory.

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Old 02-02-2008, 06:57 AM   #61
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also add another 10-30 to this count...

since it does not include new PALS (people/participants/party'rs at large) joining in nov/dec...

or those of US that intentionally re-up late to avoid the directory.

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Well 2air it seems that any mention of MAL's will bring a response from you.Yes you can add 10-30 that have joined up in Nov-Dec but if the recent trend is any indication you can then subtract approx 9-27 from that total.As you know there are various reasons for this as some PAL's end up joining units(WCDU and 4CU come to mind along with others)or leaving the club altogether.

It's funny,I have a lot of PAL's that are regular unit members.

Interesting that you would intentially re-up late to avoid the directory.A man of mystery.I guess I will have to adjust my PAL total each year to accomodate you.

You show a lot of energy and passion for the club.It would be great if we all could work together towards a common goal.

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Old 02-02-2008, 08:34 AM   #62
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If and when MALs organize as an official sector and have a vote, I am voting 2Air for president! He has been a voice for MALs since I can remember. I still think MALs as a body could be treated as any other geographically based unit with a minor changes to the current criteria. There are more people hitting the roads and more wishing to retain at large status. Not just sure which members of WDCU live in the jurisdiction anyway. The internet should allow many new aspects of WBCCI than when it was formerly structured so long ago.
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I live 32 miles from the White house, I am in the WDCU, Does that count as within the jurisdiction? There are many WDCU members that live even closer than me.
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It sure does count! No what I meant or should have said is that many members are from other areas as we see in Paul's breakdown, i.e., 7 from over here in Michigan, etc. So theorhetically speaking members can live all over and still be part of one unit and vote and conduct business online so MALs could have a share too. When I see MALs say they want a local unit rather than other unit members say MALs should join a unit then it would hold more weight to me that MAL is a temporary status but that is not the way it was or is, I think. It is an option that has always been extended to WBCCI members. Though it seems to be regarded often in derision as not full fledged and an subordinate class. Some have left their MAL status to get the vote, exercising unit membership as a sort of legal loophole circumvention, while some remain firm in the status and would like to see voting priveleges extended to their chosen status. Different strokes is all, but I think accomodation could and should be made for a group the size of MALs, imo. There is lots of energy exerted to perform within the given structure but the structure still needs to be updated too.
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Total WBCCI Membership

2008-6418 members(-135 members)
2007-6553 members

There were 2 units that appeared in the 2007 Directory that have folded

WBCCI Unit #132 Cadiz Highlands Ohio
WBCCI Unit #139 North Alabama Unit
This has been a very informative and entertaining thread.

To me, these are the numbers to watch. Not because they are negative, but because some of the numbers as I understand have been a trend for several years now.

I would also again point out that Airstream is selling more units, from what I've heard, than it ever has before. From what I recall they build something around +/- 2000 trailers a year during this high demand period over the past 4-5 years. Anyone know where all these new Airstreamers are going? Clearly a large number overall are not coming to the WBCCI. Why is that, especially when in 2003, they gave a free year membership away? If I recall those retention numbers from this offering were so low that they canceled the program the next year.

It's not all doom and gloom granted, because even at 2% loss each year, if that stays consistent, it would take over 30 years for the club to disappear......but that is only if it stays at 2% annually. I don't follow this all that closely anymore (mostly since I'm no longer a member), so someone else could chime in if over the past 5 year it's been 2%.

I would say this, having just joined Moose International. WBCCI could learn a lot from this org.
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I think if you pay dues you should vote, plain and simple. If you pay your way, you should get a say. Maybe a new thread should be started as to how this CHANGE can be made a reality. I would be willing to help make that a reality. Do you patition your unit President? How does one get these things CHANGED? I am going to email all the officers in my unit now. I encourage everyone to email their unit officers and ask to make this a reality.
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With the current Robert's Rules of Order and the once a year delegates "deliberative meeting" you can not have members at large participating because there is no way for them to elect delegates to that meeting and Robert's Rules states that the delegates will follow their own best intentions as they think their members might feel. It is a hole in the bucket argument.
Direct voting is good if there is only two sides to the question or you are only voting for one or the other candidate for an office but to efficiently negociate a settlement to more complex issues require a direct interaction between the total body of the membership or the use of a representative body of the membership meeting at one location (or in cyberspace) to work out the compromises. Our current system does not work as well as it should and does not give proper voting rights to the MAL members. Propose what method you think would be better and post it here or over at the WBCCI.org website.
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It's not all doom and gloom granted, because even at 2% loss each year, if that stays consistent, it would take over 30 years for the club to disappear......but that is only if it stays at 2% annually. I don't follow this all that closely anymore (mostly since I'm no longer a member), so someone else could chime in if over the past 5 year it's been 2%.
These figures are unofficial and approximate,it's the best that I can do.Home office would have the official numbers.

2004= -4%
2005= -0.5%
2006= -8%
2007= -5%
2008= -2%
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I agree with you Dwight, but proposals could be made until the cows come home or the current IBT passes over, change will not occur until they allow it and recent indications for that are not favorable. Was there not something about the IBT trying to remand constitutional options to take power away from the units in which if they were all united in thought could bypass IBT's jurisdiction? Do they not obstruct motions that are not to their liking with points of order? Do they not require that nominations for office be qualified by their commitee with no clear slate of what those qualifications would be? I used to think it was a matter of not knowing what the mebership is clamoring for and that effort and communication would rectify that but I now believe it is a matter of retention of power and deliberate measures to avoid addressing that which is proven to be of no priority to the existing ruling class. I have to agree with Leo's summation of the friends and family plan. If you have a great unit or intra club and do not look further or delve too deeply you can have fun with your own friends as the IBT can without being concerned about the larger picture.
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With the current Robert's Rules of Order and the once a year delegates "deliberative meeting" you can not have members at large participating because there is no way for them to elect delegates to that meeting and Robert's Rules states that the delegates will follow their own best intentions as they think their members might feel. It is a hole in the bucket argument.
Direct voting is good if there is only two sides to the question or you are only voting for one or the other candidate for an office but to efficiently negociate a settlement to more complex issues require a direct interaction between the total body of the membership or the use of a representative body of the membership meeting at one location (or in cyberspace) to work out the compromises. Our current system does not work as well as it should and does not give proper voting rights to the MAL members. Propose what method you think would be better and post it here or over at the WBCCI.org website.
I once heard an interview with Wally Byam. He was talking about the organization of a caravan. In the interview he said that each member votes and the minority always follows the majority. That is a democracy plain and simple. Everyone has a voice and everyone has a vote. The present system is a republic. We elect a few to speak for the whole. How hard would it be to send every member a ballot to vote on an issue? What is the objection there? WE are the club. WE pay our due to be a part of the club. If WE want the system to CHANGE, WE can do it and do not let anyone tell you other wise.
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