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Old 10-15-2009, 07:03 AM   #71
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Summer,

You're up very late, or maybe it could be viewed as very early.....depending on one's viewpoint.

I appreciate your explanation of the other threads' references, and look forward to that new Avatar. Nice pic, btw.

Your analogy (religion & club membership) was spot on. For six years, my wife and I rode a Harley all over the U.S. The passion for the product, and associated clubs, was even more intense than this will ever be. Some of it looked like ridiculous school yard antics, but unfortunately violations of club rules and confrontations led to more serious consequences. If one thinks that the WBCCI has false royalty, try approaching (improperly) the President of a 2% MC.

It is a shame that we are so passionate about products, clubs, sports teams, etc.....to the point of arguments/violence......and, yet we sit quietly while the really important things in life pass by.

An Airstream is, after all, just a camping trailer......something which should provide enjoyment to it's owner......sitting in the driveway as jewelry, or bouncing down a rutted backcountry road behind a four-wheel drive with a bunch of kids inside.

I now realize this thread will do little to change hearts and minds, and have some regrets about starting it. In the military we used to call it "peeing into the wind."

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Old 10-15-2009, 07:13 AM   #72
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I concur with you final analysis. Why start a thread with no purpose, other than your personal venting. The people in charge control the rules and will only change them to benefit themselves. Making waves in a small bathtub does not disturb the ocean.

The local units have individual goals and purposes that are entirely theirs. The national organization exists to fill an entirely different set of needs and wants to satisfy a different set of individuals, with the time to use the benefits the national offers. The national may have motivations to also to satisfy the personal needs of the national leaders. It is possible that certain local units or Intraclubs may find their needs are not being addressed at the national level and get so tired of supporting the national coffers that they decide to go another way.
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:36 AM   #73
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I now realize this thread will do little to change hearts and minds, and have some regrets about starting it. In the military we used to call it "peeing into the wind."

Chief

Ahhh.. so you had an agenda to sway others on their ideas and thoughts to your way of thinking..


Unfortunatly, many people actually have had GOOD to GREAT times with the WBCCI, and will in fact try to help others find a fit if possible. Sometimes, for whatever reason, it can't be done.. Most, near as I can tell, just ignore the stuff at the national level, and enjoy spending time with like minded locals.

One thing I do notice in these recurring threads of this type is the "I tried it once and didn't like it, so it should be done away with" thought train of many posters.

Sure hope people with that mindset never run into a movie they don't like, or food they don't like, etc etc.. after all there's no way it's for them, this whole eating stuff is for the birds..

I don't like or even see the purpose of a LOT of the stuff on TV, but I don't think that means other people should be swayed to my views, I just go and watch something I do like...
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:02 AM   #74
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Chief - I am glad you started this thread - By you doing so I have been contacted by a club that seems to fit the bill. It is not in my local area but they meet on weekends too. Not just the Monday to Saturday Be home on Sunday thing. I will be contacting them (I don't know if I can make it there this month but who knows)

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Old 10-15-2009, 08:18 AM   #75
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You aren't the first guy to mistake my gender ... I threatened at one point to show up at a rally in some skimpy outfit & git my picture took for a make-no-mistake-about-it avatar.
Do we get to vote on this one???
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:47 AM   #76
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Since you have discontinued membership with the wb internationle that customized beret will likely not be put into service again. I first saw it at the Salem, OR International...... the Jamacian unit edition. If looks could kill you would be dead.

Any chance it could be donated to a beret-less still in good standing member?

It will come in handy the next time I am being stared down on the coffee line by one of the Florida unit donut monitors. (one donut at a time, BUSTER!)

These are some of my most special memories! Yet still sending in dues.
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:12 AM   #77
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HowieE, We are in Eastern PA.(from NJ) and are looking for a WBCCI group to share a beer with. Is the WDC unit in NJ? Merlelwat
Hi, stepping in for my good friend HowieE here. You have a few options regarding local Units. Keystone Unit...see Keystone PA Unit WBCCI News - Keystone Kourier Sept.

Watchung NJ Unit (Central-Northern)...see WBCCI Watchung Unit

Or...WDCU (Washington DC Unit) - the unique thing about the DC Unit is how the member base stretches from NH to TN. So far they have hosted Rallies in NY State, NJ, PA, MD, VA, NC, and SC. see http://wdcu.wbcci.net/

You can learn more about the Units of Region 2 at WBCCI -- Region 2.

the next event for the Watchung Unit is 'Roadhouse IV' - it is a non-camping/socializing (read eating and drinking) and live music event held at a Roadhouse Bar in Northwestern NJ. i hope this helps sort it out a bit.

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I wonder what this thread will be titled next month when someone "tries not to stir it up/ just give their point of view."
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:41 AM   #79
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I must beg your pardon sir, but there have been numerous threads containing numerous posts on this and other forums offering very "logical, reasonable and civil solutions" to the problems that the WBCCI faces.
Unfortunately the positive suggestions have not been heard.

And, what's wrong with venting? That also helps bring change. You can't start the change process without identifying the problems.

People wouldn't vent if they didn't care, but if they are told to be quiet, they will go ever further away and stop caring.

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...Naw, I've just circled another church in the Yellow Pages & moved on.
Man, I wish I was on that beach right now...instead, I'm stuck in the butthole of Texas, in a windowless building with the A/C cranking at 59*. That picture brings back good memories of July 4th at Coos Bay.
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Ahhh.. so you had an agenda to sway others on their ideas and thoughts to your way of thinking..
DD,

You are mistaken about my agenda......if, I really had one. My comment about "changing hearts and minds" refers to making WBCCI aware of why membership may be declining......which, apparently is like beating a dead horse. I'm not sure why I even cared.....other than the fact that it may be something worth saving.

I have tried to be honest, and precise with my postings.....but, being human, may sometimes misspeak.....but, please don't read more into it.

And, 62Overlander.....it may not be next month, but the thread title "Whatever Happened to the WBCCI" will probably appear in the not-to-distant future.

My GAF Meter is currently sitting at about -10.

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Hey Chief, when you piss in the wind, it is a good idea to know which way the wind is blowing.
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Man, I wish I was on that beach right now...instead, I'm stuck in the butthole of Texas, in a windowless building with the A/C cranking at 59*. That picture brings back good memories of July 4th at Coos Bay.
Stingray,

I know this is off topic, but since I spent 30 yrs. in AF Intelligence......I understand your feelings about San Angelo. Fortunately, I went through the school went it was at Lowry AFB (Denver). But, heh, you do have great steaks there!

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Old 10-15-2009, 11:12 AM   #84
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Wally just wouldn't like the negative people. He just wouldn't. He was a very positive person, and would find a way to make something better.
Dale, sorry to say, but neither Wally nor Helen are here to "make something better."

Some may say that the folks that are being critical are pulling down the club, but I say that they are the courageous ones... willing to speak up about a segment of the membership that are being ignored.

A group of us are hosting an event next summer for the purpose of demonstrating what we expect from "our" club. Calling it negative... or positive depends on your point of view.

I have no doubt that Wally and Helen would have not allowed the club to become what it has, but it is what it is... two clubs.

No shame in that... but it is unfortunate.
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