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Old 10-14-2009, 05:59 AM   #15
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I have been wondering about the WBCCI - I have contacted my somewhat local unit - questioned them about dues - received a little information and then they wanted my location and phone number and said they would have someone local contact me. I gave them the information and it has been awhile and nothing. I quess there are no local people so no more contact. Hum - do I really need them - No. So far I have not been to any rallies - Have been either too late to sign up or they are too far away. I hope next year I can get things going in the right direction. I look forward to my first personal contact with the people that frequent this forum. I would like my first rally to be close to home and then go futher away. My girfriend has a 7 day a week job (she has to schedule her time off a couple months in advance). I work 5 days a week at one job and the rest at my small ranch (but I can take off in a moments notice). But, I still want to travel next year. We have had our TT about 6 months and have gone out 3 times to the lake. We both loved it - I have to fiqure out a way to take some kind of boat though.
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Old 10-14-2009, 06:14 AM   #16
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Too bad you're so far from NY, at our rally's the age runs from kids to folks in their early 80's.

The majority are baby boomer's, we do party.

Now I am aware of the Lawrence Welk deal I coined it.

Since you are located in the Fl panhandle I assume you went to the Pensacola unit.

It's a nice basic layout, the age is above us a bit but they are nice folks.

They roll up the sidewalks early but hey that's them, its your choice to find a unit you like, there r great units out there.

Search or stick your head in the sand.

Don't go to the International or the Fl State rally in Feb you will not like it.

The Ancients are an issue they will not step aside and let new blood run this club.

There is a group trying but we have to wait for them to pass on.

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Our experience was some really nice folks!!
But, the structure was smothering. We showed up at our first rally after work at 8pm.
Plenty of time to get a spot and set up. Well, come to find out, nothing functions after 4pm. I was told something about a "bull-pen." What's that I thought.
So, trying to find a spot to set up next to other ASers we were literally screamed at. Nice first rally welcome.
I also got dressed down for forgetting to wear a name tag.
Thought a 6 pm cocktail group and dinner at 7 pm might be nice, but, everyone eats at 5pm.
Our standards now are 30 amp electric, water, and either sewer, or, a readily available dump site where I can take the honey-wagon every day. None of this weak rally electric. Have lots of conveniences to run.
We'll go again to a rally as we enjoyed many of the members. Perhaps the WBCCI might schedule one that manages each day spontaneously, rather than on military precision.

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Old 10-14-2009, 07:04 AM   #18
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The club is structured to provide the most benefits to the people who use their trailers most. At the International level, (where most of your $55 dues go) the club provides low cost caravans with durations from 8 days to 64 days. Clearly not for the hard working class. It also provides special event rallies at various places in the US, which may require considerable travel. Working people in the area might find them interesting but they usually span a number of days during the working week. The Region rallies are also held for almost a working week.

The young people, that have to work for a living, may fine a local "unit" that meets their weekend needs, but that is what your local $10 to $20 dues supports. Some of the drinking rules are the result of some older more religious types that may be present and may be the majority of a particular local club. The no alcohol ban at a particular rally could be caused by the rules of the state park the rally is being held in.

No club can be structured to meet everyone's desires. Good Sam and Escapees are also available to all. Their local chapters also vary considerable, due to the personalities and interests of the people who are in the majority at that particular chapter. The insurance provided by WBCC International just protects the local leaders from law suites. It is not intended to protect the individual. Without it, no one would step forward to run a rally in this lawyer crazed society.

The original poster should look around for a RV club that meets his particular desires. Starting threads about his personal opinion of how a particular local club does or does not met his needs does little to help the rest of us to enjoy or add to our RV experiences.

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'Splain to me why someone who lives in Florida has to join a unit in DC to have fun with his Stream. Shouldn't ALL units be fun units?
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:06 AM   #20
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I would guess, without even putting much thought into it, that the odds of "finding" a fuddy duddy unit in your local are pretty good, after all, it's in an area vastly populated by older people, so seems that most groups, clubs, etc in the area, that are adult groups are going to be .. older..

Just like most of the respondents.. sorry you had a "bad" experience, and it seems that that unit may be a bad fit for you, but there are many who have not had that problem. It's an international club, and every unit is going to be different. Any organization of it's size is going to have that.

Heck you should hear myself and a buddy talk about our Scouting experiences from decades ago, he was in NY, I in CA.. both in the same BSA.. but my group was WAY "better" then his, but his was way "bigger". He dropped out because they didn't do the part of scouting he was interested in, had he been in my council he would probably be an eagle scout. Had I been in his, I would have dropped out.

All I guess I can really say is good luck, and hope that, if you do wish to belong to a group of people that camp, that you find them. I think we joined mostly for the chance to meet and hang out with people interested in AS's. We really didn't need camping partners, but our unit seems pretty good for it's size and age.


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'Splain to me why someone who lives in Florida has to join a unit in DC to have fun with his Stream. Shouldn't ALL units be fun units?

no one has to join a unit 4 states away to have fun with their Stream, but it is understandable, at least to me, that someone may have to search around to find a unit that "fits" for them, since the make up, on many levels, will be different in every unit. Just the way the world works. We have been in all kinds of clubs, many national, and that's seems to be the way it works for all of them. It's why, in say, Louisville, there are 4 different Mustang clubs.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:23 AM   #21
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In my unit, we'll look at you "aghast" if you DON'T crack open a beer at 4:30. (its happy hour, afterall. sheesh!).

we got "yelled" at for making too much noise after 11:00 pm at a rally...by someone that was 1/2 mile away.
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:26 AM   #22
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Why WBCCI and Airforums work for me

I'm 68. I was 64 when I joined in 2005 (younger than the first poster complaining about old fuddy duddies) and I too felt on the young side. This normally makes me feel out of place but this was such a kind and friendly group of oldsters with fantastic equipment knowledge and stories to tell that we soon fit right in. Sadly, the group is aging on average but it does know it has a problem - it must interest younger people in the organization or it will no longer exist.

Our unit is now gaining younger members, usually recent empty nesters that recently purchasers an Airstreams and want to travel and expand their social network. People with kids won't be attracted to a unit without other families with kids, and unfortunately we have lost that magnet. Ideally maybe 2 or 3 couples with kids might join at one time and form a nucleus to organize events more suitable for families, but that is tough to accomplish.

Since joining WBCCI we have made far more use of our trailer that we were on our own, taking it out on average once monthly. We have met wonderful people in WBCCI and in areas we've visited on several unit caravans and three national caravans, seeing (by Airstream) much of the US, plus western and eastern Canada, including Newfoundland. Some would have done this on their own, but in our case the planning effort would have kept us sitting on our butts with the trailer idle in the driveway.

There are what seem like rigid customs. I get tired of the name tag thing but it certainly helps when you are new to a group and associating with people you may see only every few months or once a year. I would prefer there were no blessings and flag saluting--you have to consider the post-WWII time when the club was formed out of veterans, some still around--but it isn't an issue worth the stir to stop. No booze prohibition here.

I strongly support Airforums but have not been to an Airforums rally - I guess because my needs are met in WBCCI and I don't have that much time left over. I think thoughtful criticism is healthy and this thread so far is that, the problems in WBCCI are well known, it will actually probably take new members to make real progress. But it is an organization worth preserving for the camaraderie, rally opportunities, and abundant availability of adventurous caravans.
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:26 AM   #23
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2air Welcome Back my friend. Well said. I would have written somethin like that but my blood got ta boilin and I couldnt. SO Thanks.
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I have asked the same question. One member lives near me here in SW Ohio but is a member of a Wisconsin Unit.Now Whats up wiff that???? We have a local unit here but its DEAD. Their website has not been updated since 2006.
Wife and I have attended some Forums Rallys,wiff no stinkin insurance and no 23 rd vice presidents 3times removed and No Paid for entertainment or Catered meals. No Rally fees. WE HAVE HAD A BLAST!
So we have NO reason to waste our money and pay for the campin fees of higher ups who get theirs for free because they are a past VP of something.
OPPS sorry for the rant.
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I had a feeling that starting this thread would evoke some strong emotions……that’s why I prefaced it with my comments about trying not to offend, or sway opinions pro or con. I merely wanted to post my personal experience, in an honest and forthright manner. I tried to balance my observations somewhat with both good and bad comments, as well as avoiding naming names (other than the IBT President) or units. It is understandable that folks who have invested time, and money, into an organization will get their panties all wadded up whenever someone makes any negative comments…..maybe I should have been a bit more tactful with my thread title.

It is difficult these days to discuss religion, politics, or WBCCI without someone getting upset…..and, I touched two of those topics. My intent was, not to bash WBCCI, but to post my personal experience. Members can choose to respond, or ignore. Judging from the many private emails that I have received, there have been many similar experiences.

Clearly the WBCCI fills a gap in many folks’ lives. There are members that, for many different reasons, feel that the organization is an extended family. There are others who enjoy the caravans, for the camaraderie as well as the planning being done for them. It works for some…..just not for me.

Someone once said that the greatest insult one can give is to “ignore” a person. There is a lot of truth in that……as well as a lot of truth that can be gleaned from the many postings regarding the WBCCI. If you want to ignore me….that’s fine. But, if you choose to ignore the cyber chorus……you must be prepared for the consequences. For me, it really makes no difference as I no longer have a dog in this hunt.

For the gentleman who thought I might not fit into today’s society……it might be true that the 30 years I spent defending our American way-of-life (society) may have made me a bit jaded……but, I accept it for what it is…..and, would continue to defend your right to express your opinion.

For 2Air…..no badges for you! The naked visual is already giving me nightmares!

For those who have written private emails….thanks….I’m trying to answer each one.

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For the gentleman who thought I might not fit into today’s society……it might be true that the 30 years I spent defending our American way-of-life (society) may have made me a bit jaded……but, I accept it for what it is…..and, would continue to defend your right to express your opinion.



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I actually think that so far at least, this thread is doing what you wanted it to, you expressed your opinion, civilly, and others have replied in same.

Didn't see where anybody said you didn't fit in to today's society. I see where a couple people pointed out that due to modern methods of communication, etc, it's much easier to find a group that DOES work for you.

In fact this very forum is one of those places, and many here have pointed out that they thought a forum rally might be a good fit for you..

One in Elizabethtown KY this very weekend. Come visit, go to a great concert. I will bring some 17yo Bourbon and we will have a sip or three and tell war stories.. We will not be attending with our AS, because we are in Kansas right now, but hope to get home in time to sit a spell with some members from here..
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Thanks for the invite......grew up in E. Tenn, so sipping anything other than JD is blasphemy!

The comment that you missed was in post #13, and is as follows:

"But it's not just the WBCCI -- maybe society in general, and rallies in particular, ain't for the Chief."

I mentioned in my original posting that we have attended three forum rallies, and will be back at Topsail for Canopener in January. Forum rallies are a blast.....try one, you'll like it!

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Is there any chance of a rally somewhere around Southeastern Oklahoma anytime in the near future LOL.
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