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**jcanavera** · 12-15-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 65GT

That's all well and good Jack, BUT...

What is the majority of responders? How many went out, how many came back, and out of those what was for change and what was against?

A number of people here are saying they never even knew about this. I'd love to see this ballot. I can't even figure out what it could say that anyone could respond in the positive without knowing what exactly they'd be getting in return. A couple of dozen folks are going to come up with a name and select to change the club name based on that small group?

If you've got more details, sling 'em out there, but this just sounds like twilight zone material to me. Of course I say that NOT having the details...

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Well I went back and it was Feb 2004 that the survey went out in the Blue Berets. Unfortunately I don't have the original questions since I sent the survey in. Read this thread http://www.airforums.com/forum...t=wbcci+survey and it will give you some of the thoughts. I'll have to look since the Blue Beret also published a summary of the results. I think the July or August 2004 issue contains them. Maybe someone has that and can paraphrase the results. Note if you have $6 to spend, the folks at Headquarters will send you a 49 page report of the results on a CD.

I think from this you will understand the what led to the name change decision.

Jack

**Stefrobrts** · 12-16-2005, 06:55 PM

I think we'd all be mighty surprised if Wally got revived! YIKES!

I guess if enough members felt like this was a bad change and not what the club honestly wanted (you know, hanging chads and whatnot), they could make a proposal to change it back to the WBCCI, get it voted on, and change it back!

I'm vintage, I have a new fridge, and I'm all for a name change (unless it's just as stuffy and long-winded as the current name, then they may as well leave it alone).

I'm NOT in favor of inviting the other thor products to come play with us. I mean, I'm sure they're nice and all, but then what's the point of having a club? They'd just all feel jealous as we trotted out our antique trailers that are good as new while their three year old white-boxes were deteriorating and being used as kindling in the campfire

47WeeWind · 12-16-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 65GT

So maybe the rest of us should take a slight offshoot of that one and preserve the history and the beginning. Start a Wally Byam Adventurers' Club or something. Get back to the past without all the by-laws and start anew. Heck, if it's all volunteers, and there are some volunteers that know how to work (I know someone that can get stickers made!! Woo Hoo!) you could probably subsidize the whole thing through merchandise sales with little to no dues -- okay minimal dues. Heck, bring the entire past with us and up the ante with senior member discounts, unique numbers (mounted on removable plastic sheets) per trailer, form an alliance with a well known vintage full-color magazine to get discounted subscriptions for members. …a chicken in every pot.... …a hamster in every cage... the possibilities are endless! Hmmm... Blue Berets...

Maybe starting a new club is what's needed here. Maybe if the WBCCI tosses Wally, we toss them...

65GT: Are you a member of the Vintage Airstream Club? If not, you will find most of your suggestions have already been implemented by the VAC. And I have very strong suspicions that Wally will never die in the hearts, minds, or on the heads of VAC members. If the WBCCI's new name wholly excludes Wally, you can bet your beret that many VAC members will only hoist Wally and his adventures higher. More, not fewer, "Wally Byam CARAVAN" stickers will appear on the end caps of vintage trailers. Old worn blue berets will sprout up at rallies like mushrooms. Some prefer to move forward towards the future, while others rejoice and revel in the past. The golden age of Airstream Caravanning will never be forgotten, no matter what direction or name the mother club takes in the near future. The VAC parade has been marching backwards for over 10 years .... please join in!

robandzoe · 12-16-2005, 07:55 PM

65GT,

I concur with Fred. If you are not a VAC member, you should join. Almost all of the WDCU unit is VAC, and we have alot of fun. Wally will never leave the VAC hearts or minds!

Mike Lewis · 12-16-2005, 08:11 PM

65gt----I just looked at your profile and saw your picture. You're a young feller!!!!! what are you getting all worked up about at this age???? You won't live long enough to enjoy retirement like me if you don't calm down. Let them folks screw this thing up all they want. You don't have to be part of anything to have a great time with others who have the same interest you do. I don't have an old one, Airstream, but I think we could share a Steak and Baked potato over some campfire coals without either joining anything. ------------
Pieman

robandzoe · 12-16-2005, 08:18 PM

GT,

Come on up in June to central NY, June 1-4, to my Pageant of Bands Rally - a Washington, DC unit WBCCI rally...you'll have fun! It is in North Norwich, NY.

Rob

uwe · 12-16-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen Disarray

I agree, it should be funny coats and red hats.

Or those fake glasses with the big noses and fake mustaches on them. Then, we'd all look like we think alike!

wkerfoot · 12-16-2005, 09:43 PM

65GT,

Althought you cannot sign up online, you can obtain the application here: http://www.airstream.net/VACMembershipNewApp.pdf
Print it out, include a check, you know what they are

, put a stamp on the envelope, if you have one, if not they can be purchased at the post office, I think you can order them online

and mail it to Scott.

Bill

**Stefrobrts** · 12-16-2005, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 65GT

Stephanie -- I think the stuffy name is merely perception -- packaging. It's really not a stuffy name. I put something together just for you. Not a huge effort, but one that may make a name not seem so stuffy. I would suggest to you that if I changed the name Adventurers' to Caravan, it would still have that Indiana Jones type of feel and may even make the club name (hold on now), cool...

Ha ha ha, that was Excellent! Why, it does seem totaly cool to me now! I want to be a Caravanner too!

I totally agree with you about Dodge City. We drove way out of our way on our trip to OK to swing through Dodge City just because we saw it on the map. We get there and walked around for about an hour an left. "Oh, part of it burned down, then we tore the rest of the historic buildings down in the 60s because they were ugly and replaced them with nice modern 60s style buildings." What about the cemetery? "Well, we relocated that. But you can go to the museum and see a 3/4 scale recreation of town." Uh, no thanks! Possibly the most dissapointing 'historic' destination we've ever stopped at! That's definitly a town that should have seen the value of their history before they flattened it.

47WeeWind · 12-17-2005, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 65GT

So many steps... 1) Click 2) Print 3) Find Pen 4) Remember how to print 5) Find envelope 6) More printing 7) Find check 8) More printing 9) find stamp 10) deliver. With just two more steps we could have qualified this as a 12 step recovery program. I live in a world of click, autofill, click? Damn...__

65GT: It's a tough world out there, so buck up for the journey.

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Mike Lewis · 12-17-2005, 10:41 AM

FRED---dO

Mike Lewis · 12-17-2005, 10:56 AM

FRED---Do we have to have our WBCCI membership current before we can be "Virturalist". Also I'm not sure I like the name of this organization. I know "Virtural" has been with us since the begining and expresses the spirit of the club from the time it was originated but it fails to include the name of it's founder. May I suggest ,FCVCCI. { Fred Coldwell Virtural Caravan Club}. I'm wondering if we could have a Virtural Survey sent out from the Virtural Headquarters to get the consensus concerning this name change.------------Pieman

InsideOut · 12-17-2005, 11:30 AM

Fred ~

Too much coffee this morning or not enough?

Shari

47WeeWind · 12-17-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Lewis

FRED---Do we have to have our WBCCI membership current before we can be "Virturalist". Also I'm not sure I like the name of this organization. I know "Virtural" has been with us since the begining and expresses the spirit of the club from the time it was originated but it fails to include the name of it's founder. May I suggest ,FCVCCI. { Fred Coldwell Virtural Caravan Club}. I'm wondering if we could have a Virtural Survey sent out from the Virtural Headquarters to get the consensus concerning this name change.------------Pieman

Mike:

I recently held a seance with Wally and he instructed me to use his name for this new free-spirited club. I take no credit; after all, I'm only the channeller, the earth bound instrument of his divine directions.

As for membership prerequisites, no, you don't have to be burdened with a WBCCI membership to join. And, you can choose virtually any membership number you wish! Because this virtuous new club will exist in an infinite number of space/time continuums, we can have duplicate membership numbers as long as they never share the same space/time coordinate. That unfortunate event would produce a black hole which would take cosmic polishing efforts to remove, and both identical membership numbers would get wiped out in the process.

As for policies and procedures, well, you'll have to contact VHQ, who can also supply you, electronically of course, with an upload of the latest Virtural Survey. Finally, because the operation of this virtural Caravan Club will be highly poll-driven, you can expect there will be a lot of VS!

**Stefrobrts** · 12-17-2005, 06:05 PM

Thanks for the graphic, Lou, it rocks

Now I'm a little dissapointed they want to change it.

I was at the unit Christmas Luncheon today and Jim Franklin from Region 10 brought these samples of the new logo the comittee has chosen. They will be presented at the IBT meeting in Jan, and then voted on at International. So I guess if people don't want the name to change, there is still time to try to organize a movement to stop it and keep things the same. Jim said that he has heard a lot of grousing about the changes, but that only 17% of people bothered to vote in the first place, and apparently the majority of those voted for change.

robandzoe · 12-17-2005, 06:12 PM

AOA, I guessed that was what it was going to be back on Post 81. I don't care for it. So, with AOA, I guess the Base Camp will be allowed. The lady at WBCCI said right now it wasn't allowed at WBCCI...that they were going to vote in Jan to allow it or not....but if it is AOA, how can in not be allowed, it has the name Airstream on it, right?

I still like WBC...Wally Byam Caravanners!

**Stefrobrts** · 12-17-2005, 06:24 PM

Who knows how many people are currently in the club? I'm wondering just how many votes 17% is.

wheel interested · 12-17-2005, 07:18 PM

Thanks for keeping us informed Stephanie. It's great to be able to get the latest updates.

What does everyone think of the proposed graphic? And what would be the proper procedure to have input on the decision?

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I was at the unit Christmas Luncheon today and Jim Franklin from Region 10 brought these samples of the new logo the comittee has chosen. They will be presented at the IBT meeting in Jan, and then voted on at International. So I guess if people don't want the name to change, there is still time to try to organize a movement to stop it and keep things the same. Jim said that he has heard a lot of grousing about the changes, but that only 17% of people bothered to vote in the first place, and apparently the majority of those voted for change.

wheel interested · 12-17-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefrobrts

Who knows how many people are currently in the club? I'm wondering just how many votes 17% is.

If the majority of 17% voted for the name change less than that number of voters were actually for it.

2airishuman · 12-17-2005, 08:08 PM

hard to believe it,

but i just had a nearly rational thought........

take a look at the blue hat mag and most other places where the wbcci is spelled out in full, the 2nd line (subheading) is "the recreational vehichle club of airstream owners"....

yes, i realize this has already been mentioned.......

BUT
what if the new name sort of swapped lines.....in other words put wally's name in the 2nd line......which would keep it as part of offical name but without leading........

something like.....

"airstream recreational vehicle owners club" (arvoc)
the "wally baum's caravan club international" (wbcci)

or.....

aoa
wbcci

of course we could just go with t.a.c.i.
(thor's airstream club ingrates)

or some other lame first line with the wbcci dropping down to line 2....this would keep wally in the mix, pay tribute to the original name and yet allow for the word airstream to move up...........

offically i'm against any name change that's been proposed. this really isn't a new issue......i recall complaints about the name from dealers/newbies 25 years ago....but the old fart members were much stronger then & better organized and had better numbers to squash the youngin' new fangled ideas..........

the truth is very few people know how to pronounce wally's last name and that has always made newbies uneasy.....this is the REAL issue......hell i've met many airstream sales staff who can't pronounce it correctly.......

cheers
2air'