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Old 12-13-2005, 10:13 PM   #57
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65GT, I think you're way out of line there - insinuating that somehow a smal group of power hungry leaders are pushing this decision to change the name down the throats of the membership. That's not the way it works. The members voted. Their unit reps took their decision to international. The reps voted, and the decision was made. The majority wants to see a name change. Now they at the international board meeting have to decide what that name will be. It's democracy in action.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:55 PM   #58
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I feel the same as Rodney. I looked at joining the club, but to be honest, could not find one reason to join. Recently a thread on this forum discused the idea of non member guests at the ralleys. That would be a good start, but of all the WBCCI ralleys listed on this forum's Rally Calendar, I can not find one that says "guests welcome". You can try and find information from the various chapter web sites, but most are rarely updated and many chapters do not even have a web site. A good example of this is the cost of membership at large. I have seen various prices from a low of $60 to a high of $75. I will wait and see what changes the club makes in the future. I wish them well.
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:21 AM   #59
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Is it the $55, or what?

Hi all -

Seen lots of teeth gnashin, and thrashing about, all over what the club is,isn't, offers, doesn't offer, etc....

I mean we are talking about $55 here. That is 1 tank of gas/diesel, people!

Give WBCCI a try!!!! The people I met at the first get together are worth that amount alone! And the 'reach out and touch it' knowledge base where I can call on them to help, right here where I need them....

I get the feeling that it isn't about the $, it is more about the "I won't join any club that will have ME" thing.... Apologies to Groucho! Come on people, toss caution to the wind and try it. One year trial period.

This reminds me of the people that didn't vote, but bitch up and down about 'the government this... and that..." If you don't vote? Don't bitch! Wanna change it, any part of it, all of it...? Get in there are get your feet wet....!!!!!!!!! Get off the porch and join the game people.... or stay up there and hush up.

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Old 12-14-2005, 08:32 AM   #60
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The way we did it WDCU

We did not do paper....that is old WBCCI....come on GT.

WDCU unit president sent out email to all of our members, and we replied with our vote! Most of us replied with the new name too....Here stated that the officers would take the units consolidated inputs and vote at International.

So, what did your unit vote at International GT. If it was to change the name, you need to start there.

I know our unit vote was to Change....I expect that the board will come out with a list, for us to all vote on again to make official in Salem? Sheri, your thoughts?

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Old 12-14-2005, 08:57 AM   #61
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Having been Airstreamer now for 2 plus years and not joining WBCC, we finally did reciently. I must admitt I have done so with apprehension. My feelings up to this point were and still are somewhat like Rodneys in that it seems that a group of folks could get our together without all the formality and just have a good time. Still on nearly every outing we have a WBCC member approach us and encourage us to join. We held off mainly because it hit me wrong to think I would have to spend $65-70 to see if it was something we might like. Whenever I expressed this there was always someone around to demean me for making such a big deal over a "piddly" amount of money that wouldn't buy a tank of gas. I probably would have joined sooner had that not happened repeatedly. We decided we would join and see if it was something that would be of interest, which remains to be seen. After two lunchens this is what I've observed. Five folks beside my wife and I arrive at a designated eating establishment ,two of which are 20 minutes late and had to call another in the group to remind them this is luncheon day. 20 more minutes go buy and they arrive. Everyone has on these vest with all the pins and things they have accumulated over the years. I Don't know if we're supposed to get these or not. After lunch talk begun about how the latest hunting trip when and was followed by another 45 minutes to an hour of non airstream talk. When I asked if they we going to travel together to the Winter Fiesta International Rally in Anthony Texas they said they were not taking their trailers but were going to drive and stay in a motel ????? This was the sum total of Airstream discussion for the meeting. I hope this isn't typical of the type of thing we've joined as we're not into pins, vests, berets, flags etc.
As to the discussion about the name change personally I don't care what it's called and don't intend to argue about something that has nothing to do with why we joined, that being meeting and having fun with folks that have a like interest in Airstreams. Like Rodney it's not my intention to insult or demean anyone for their interest and concern about things such as names etc it's just not whats important to me.---------Pieman
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:01 AM   #62
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I have been a member for 3 years now. I have not heard until this thread that there is a name change in the works for "my" club. Nil, Nada, Nichts. Someone mentioned that there was a blurb in one of the blue Beret mags? Can't even find it. This entire subject sounds more and more fishy to me. I for one am not surprised that there's criticism from our more outspoken members.
Personally, I don't really care if they change the name, my only interest lies in the vintage club. WBCCI is a means to an end for me, at this time.
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:28 AM   #63
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My thoughts are very much like Gen Disarray's. I have not yet joined WBCCI. The week after I bought my AS I saw on their web site Region 5 was having their rally in Bowling Green KY. I drove over for a few hours (saturday). What I saw did not impress me much. I like vintage. That is just me. My definition of vintage is pre 1968. Again that is just me. Of the 87 trailers present only 3 fit my definition of vintage. All three were parked together. I walked up and had a great visit with two of the three owners. The third was not present. I would gladly be in a club with these guys. They were very helpful and friendly to me. As I walked around the rest of the rally site I had the feeling of being in the trailer park in Plant City Fl. where my Mom had a winter place for a few years. One step away from a nursing home. I have to say that the time I was there was when the tours etc. were scheduled so I won't judge too harshly, but of the folks who were there few even aknowledged my presence with a smile or wave. I did not approach them as I was not interested in their rig, at least not then. I am not interested in going camping/rallying to wear a coat, tie and beret or put up with political BS and rule makers. If that is what WBCCI is or would still be by another name count me out. I want campfires, hikes and talk about Airstreams.
All that being said I will probably join for this year and make as many events as I can before deciding for sure. First impressions can be wrong.
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What Vote?

I must have missed this. I never saw a ballot from WBCCI or our regional or local unit on this.
If it was passed along as you mention I bet there are a lot of other folks who didn't get a chance to properly vote on this. Based on what we are seeing on the forums - it's hard to imagine that, if voted on in this fashion, it ever passed in the first place - the overwhelming replies on these forums are against the name change.


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65GT, I think you're way out of line there - insinuating that somehow a smal group of power hungry leaders are pushing this decision to change the name down the throats of the membership. That's not the way it works. The members voted. Their unit reps took their decision to international. The reps voted, and the decision was made. The majority wants to see a name change. Now they at the international board meeting have to decide what that name will be. It's democracy in action.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:46 AM   #65
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My last post on this subject: People who know how to cause change to happen will usually not get involved because of the rhetoric they recieve. The cause has to be of enough importance to endure this, and this one is not for me.

I don't care if they change the name!! Call it whatever they want. I don't care if they have ceremonies and protocols. I just ignore them. I don't go to many rally's anymore, although we have been to some good ones. The Mardi Gras is one that I really enjoyed although we did a lot of our own thing there.

I like to park in the woods, or an the water somewhere, with like minded quasi red-necks like me. I like a big camp fire (as does my wife), a few drinks with friendly easy-going people. My Wife and I are both professional people but don't really like the country club type life.

I can find all this outside the WBCCI, and I do. I still belong and do the web sites for two groups, but I am losing interest fast. I think that the people on this forum would be a great group to camp and party with. Perhaps we should arrange something like that.

To 65GT. don't have any agenda or dreams of power. Been there, done that, Lots of work and very little fun.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:56 AM   #66
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Can some one set up a poll?

on members that did or did not vote. And how the opportunity was extended and realized? Might be a good follow-up given the present interest, though a moot issue at this date. I wonder how many of the entire club members, including those without internet actually did give a yea or nay. Dues are collected via mail seems an absentee ballot could have been collected similarly.

With such a large club with such a long history, a name change seems to me to negate it's unbroken heritage.

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If it was passed along as you mention I bet there are a lot of other folks who didn't get a chance to properly vote on this. Based on what we are seeing on the forums - it's hard to imagine that, if voted on in this fashion, it ever passed in the first place - the overwhelming replies on these forums are against the name change.
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Buttercup has a good point. Most of the time WBCCI seems to put info in the Blue Beret regarding issues that need to be voted on. I found this out when I sent an email directly to WBCCI regarding the increase in dues. Speaking for myself, it seems you have to really pay attention and search to first of all to find out some issue such as the name change is being considered, then you have to do some more searching to figure out how to have some input. Then you have to hope and pray your input is even considered. Most of the time it seems in order to vote or voice an opinion, you have to attend a meeting or rally - unit, region, or international. As an officer in our Unit, I sure don't remember ever receiving anything that would indicate we needed to address issues (name change, dues increase) with our members and how we could get their voice heard on the regional and national levels. Maybe I missed something. There is a lot of room for improvement in this area, and some improvements would be easy to implement. For instance use the web to post poll questions (like on this forum).
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:32 AM   #68
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It seems to me though, that the spirit of hitting the road for adventure with an Airstream had been lost to other considerations. Perhaps instead of asking the club to change, a more productive move for someone like myself who would like to have an Airstream club would be to form one like WE want. So what would such a club look like to me? I think it would look remarkably like this forum. Outings would be much like I imagine forum rallies to be; inexpensive, informal, and friendly.
Here is what my grandfather (#772) said at a rally in Death Valley in 1966

"By the end of the day eight airstreams and no officials. So we all decided to be presidents and do as we pleased."

As to the general discussion on this thread, changing the name doesn't solve the problems. As someone said, it is an easy fix and may make you feel like you are doing something, when in reality nothing changes. As to the often heard comment, nobody knows who Wally Byam is, well that to me is because WBCCI has not done it's job to inform, educate and promote it's history and it's founder.

If you want to encourage the younger generations, if the organization is to grow and develop then there is going to need to be some serious review, evaluation, reorganization, and restructuring. I don't mean window dressing. I mean really looking in the mirror, even if it isn't pretty then making a commitment to making some real changes. To walk the walk, not just talk about it. To change effectively, you have to really listen to the members and potential members. You have to address their needs, interests, and resources. You have to continually assess what works and what doesn't and be flexible enough to change while still maintaining the founding principles and ideas that the organization was built on. You have to be able to utilize the new resources and technologies that will strengthen the organization and enhance its abilities to meet the needs of its members.
Gen Dissaray is right on. If you look at Wally Byam's Creed and his Four freedoms you can see the type of organization he is talking about. If WBBCI would pay more attention to what is going on on the fourms they could go a long way towards transforming the organization for the better.

There is so much potential for WBCCI if those of us who care about the organization are willing to be persistent, patient, and willing to get in there and make the changes happen. I'd love to see even simple things like renewing membership and signing up for the International rally on-line. I think the Intra-clubs could be a great asset to member recruitment and retention if they were just promoted more actively and effectively. For instance, if there were more information was available on the WBCCI website. I'd like to see an on-line version of the Blue Beret.

On another topic, one of the things I have wondered about VAC is what will happen when motorhomes, Bvan's and Class A's become eligible for membership? If I understand correctly a requirement for VAC is any Airstream 25yrs of age or older. To me vintage is any Airstream before Beatrice got the company. I gather the Classic intra-club focuses on the "classic" Airstream shape (trailer) rather than age. It also seems that the appeal of VAC is primarily the vintage trailer (which seem to be popular especially with the younger generations) rather than that it offers an alternative to the perceived structure, rigidity, and "in crowd" older generation prevalent in the the organization at large. Has VAC learned from WBCCI? What could WBCCI learn from VAC?
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:03 PM   #69
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65GT, our unit voted by sending a page out included in the monthly newsletter with a number of items to vote on which were going to be decided at international. Every member of our unit should have received this, and they had the opportunity to vote and send it back to the member who was adding up the votes. I don't know how they knew what would be voted on, but we have one member who is very dedicated to the club who keeps track of those things.

When I say what you said was unfair, perhaps I should have taken it more tounge in cheek as you followed that analogy. I just felt that if I was an international officer and read what you wrote, my feelings would be hurt. I don't think they do it for power or glory, these are regular joes who honestly want to do their best to help the club survive. The ones I have had the chance to speak to have been really nice folks, who have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of the club over the years and would like to see it continue for the next generation to share in as well. There may be a few showboats in there, but for the most part, I'd say it's unfair to attribute that to the officers in general.

I know the WBCCI isn't perfect by a long shot, but when I hear thse people talking about the years and years of good times, traveling, and fellowship that they have enjoyed with the club, it makes me think it's worth it to see if it can change with the times and still provide some value to the members. Maybe the time has passed for clubs like this. Back in the day, it was the only way to get together and stay in touch with other Airstreamers, but now with the internet perhaps it's time really has passed. Time will tell.
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on members that did or did not vote. And how the opportunity was extended and realized? Might be a good follow-up given the present interest, though a moot issue at this date. I wonder how many of the entire club members, including those without internet actually did give a yea or nay. Dues are collected via mail seems an absentee ballot could have been collected similarly.
If I remember right the name change came by way of a survey that was included in the Blue Beret some time ago. So everyone had input. A committee was formed to analyze those survey results. Our local membership was informed at a rally during a unit business meeting that this would be brought up at the winter IBT meetings. Again every unit has a representative at that meeting. How each unit informs their membership and how they vote varies. Those present at our rally and meeting voted to accept a name change.

I think this was the same meeting where the discussion was whether to allow owners of the new Airstream Basecamp into the organization. That in itself was an interesting discussion since a few of the old timers raised objections regarding the fact that the units are not "self contained". I stood up and reminded them that they were taking the attitudes that kept motor homes and Argosy's from WBCCI years ago. In light of the membership drop off it would be unfortunate to alienate this new group of folks, who in the future may become owners of more traditional Airstream vehicles. I also noted that in many cases vintage Airstream units may not be totaly self contained either and we allow them in. The motion to allow these units in passed at our meeting.

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