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Old 06-08-2011, 09:17 AM   #1135
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Hopefully instead of a new lawsuit, fund would be solicited for a WB forum. Then there will not need to be any of this heated discussion here.
Those that have followed the thrust of the Revision might realize that more modern communication within the Club is a must. Along those lines the Revision Committee and others have suggested an Airstream Members Only Forum would be a leap forward.

The open access format of Airfourms was not originally directed at intra Club discussions, but rather open discussion of Airstream ownership. While Airfourms has been quite tolerant in allowing a wide variety of discussion directed towards the Club it can not and should not police or manage the access to those threads that clearly pertain only to Members issues.

I have no problem with continued open discussions here but believe the Membership should have a private area for debate, just as a unit meeting is private, and manage the direction of the Club.



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Old 06-08-2011, 11:20 AM   #1136
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Unfortunately, the club leadership does not appear to have interest in open communication of this type. Critical review and discussion forms the best understanding and ensures the best ideas and proposals are developed. This "critical review" often looks like criticism. It can be difficult to stay on the polite and proper side of the line.

Thoughtful and timely responses from club leaders would help keep the tone civil. The previous attempt on the club website lacked the former and sometimes the latter.
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:34 PM   #1137
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Lee, Unfortunately Dave is 100% correct in what has occurred here. A very divided membership was divided further by the expulsion of Mr. Garvey. Then divided further by two of the posters here with a law suit that was dropped in exchange of a constitutional rewrite which like every positive change, never happened also. What Dave has said is very relevant to this topic.
History, everything is built on it.

If people were not so upset, there would be very little reason for you to worry about this going off topic. Unfortunately, this issue and many more will never go away. Hopefully instead of a new lawsuit, fund would be solicited for a WB forum. Then there will not need to be any of this heated discussion here.
Nowhere did I state that Dave was incorrect...
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:40 AM   #1138
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Even though it would be unimportant now but I wonder what the vote totals were from those units that did vote. jim
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:55 AM   #1140
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Even though it would be unimportant now but I wonder what the vote totals were from those units that did vote.
It might be possible to take an informal poll at the delegates seminar. I am aware of several units that voted strongly against it and one that voted for it, but by less than a 2/3 majority.
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:28 AM   #1141
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In our case, the vote was to vote FOR a properly amended document or AGAINST the proposal presented. Our unit has about 320 votes.
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:43 AM   #1142
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Looks like that Ballot was written by someone not quite in favor of the Revision. How and when would a "properly amended document" be available to the units membership before they were to vote.

Years ago New Jersey used to write a question to be on a ballot in such a way that a Yes vote was against it and a No vote was for it. That practice was used until the vote on Fluoride and the effect on the kids called it to the public attention.
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As I stated before. The vote was to direct my vote in accordance with their wishes. I held 3 sessions before our Business Meeting and one after. I have explained the nature of my planned change more than once and have e-mailed it to those who requested and provided an address.

I tried to send it to Jackson Center but was told to submit it in DuQuoin.

Simply stated:
- keep delegate voting and an annual Delegate Meeting.
- allow MAL voting electronically in advance of the Delegate Meeting OR in person at the meeting.
- incorporate the DenCo amendment.
- eliminate a "recommended" label from the Nominating Committee report.

No secrets. No surprises.
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At the Region 2 rally members appeared to be FOR it.
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The vote took place BEFORE I drafted the change.

By the way, I had our Region 2nd VP in 3 sessions and Region IPP in 4 (they are Unit Members). They agree that my amendment reflects the input received from our members.
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Can't argue to strongly against those positions as individual points. Might question the All or Nothing stance.
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I agree. The direction given me does allow some latitude. It is not ALL or nothing. Some points were more strongly held.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:13 AM   #1148
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Of course, we aren't voting. My successor will get new direction next year.
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